Wikipedia:Appeals to Jimbo

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This page in a nutshell: "Appeal to Jimbo" is the last resort. If you're doing that, be sure you have followed other dispute resolution steps first. By the way, this doesn't work for Arbitration Committee rulings (following community amendment of arbitration policy).

A number of contributors are unhappy with the way that various matters have been dealt with on Wikipedia. Some are unhappy about administrator decisions, others are upset that there are offensive images on articles, while yet others feel that links to their pet website should not be removed from the project. These are just some of the things that an editor can get upset about.

Generally, discussion happens and either the contributor concedes or goes away grumpy. However, a selected few contributors feel that as Jimbo Wales is the founder/co-founder of Wikipedia that it would be best to appeal to him directly. The theory behind this is that their appeals will be heard and Jimbo will latch onto the argument in full agreement with the petitioner. Thereafter, Jimbo will logically smite the wicked editor who dared raise concerns about their behaviour/fundamentally change existing policy/delete the offending item from Wikipedia.

The unfortunate news here is that it almost never works. Jimmy's talk page is monitored (at the time of writing) by 4,124 people. This is made up of a large cabal who routinely either point out that the decisions made are correct, that Jimmy shouldn't be bothered with worthless tripe, or that Jimbo normally doesn't enter into these sort of discussions. Furthermore, when Jimbo does respond he rarely takes sides, unless it is a completely egregious and inescapably important issue that must be responded to (e.g. Wikipedia:SOPA initiative.) Which in almost all instances is not the case with appeals to his talk page. And if it is, he'll normally get the Wikimedia Foundation to do it for him.

This means that if the editor has to appeal to Jimbo's talk page, they will almost certainly not persuade anyone of the merits of their case. Indeed, argumentum ad Jimbonem may actually harm it in the eyes of other editors, as this often seems to be an attempt to make an end run around an existing consensus. As appealing to Jimbo tends to be the end of the discussion some have likened such a course of action to Godwin's Law.

So the best advice to editors who feel that appealing to Jimmy Wales can get around discussing issues with the wider community is to think again. It may not get them what they desire. They have been warned!

This is Jimbo's advice on how to involve him when consensus supports the wrong version:

• Wikipedia:Role of Jimmy Wales
• Wikipedia:Argumentum ad Jimbonem
• Wikipedia:What Would Jimbo Do?
• Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass
• Meta:The Wrong Version § Involving Jimbo