Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/13 Rajab

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that the article is notable enough to keep. Discussions about scope can be conducted on the article's talk page. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer (talk) 12:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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We already have articles for January 12 and so on. Do we want the same for other calendars (in this case, the Islamic calendar)? And if so, should it be restricted to "Islamic" events (births, deaths, ...) or should all events be recalculated to this calendar?

My first reaction would be to delete this article, but this community discussion can decide this better (and better now, when only one such article has been created, than after more work has been done). Fram (talk) 15:46, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:14, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment This article seems rather a good idea to me but there is no particular policy or guideline behind my thinking (nor behind this AfD nomination?). AfD is an utterly unsuitable forum for discussing which potential calendars might be covered or what types of events might be included. Deletion would be my last reaction. Thincat (talk) 16:19, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: 13 Rajab is a day on the Arabic or Islamic calendar therefore its events should be restricted to Arabic or Islamic related events. this is a translation of fa:۱۳ رجب for English who interested in 13 Rajab. Such as other 5 language in its item Q4121761 on wikidata. Championmin (talk) 13:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Championmin. As we have articles related to the Western calendar, I see no reason not to allow articles related to the Islamic calendar. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 17:47, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps, but I can see no argument to restrict it to Arabic or Islamic facts only. We don't restrict the Gregorian calendar to Christian facts either. If this kind of articles is allowed, then it should have all important issues, but converted to the Islamic calendar. Then it can be claimed that we provide encyclopedic, neutral information to people who are more used to the islamic calendar. A parochial / religion based system of what to include and what to exclude doesn't belong on enwiki though. Fram (talk) 07:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    well that's my point as well. If there are "fewer Islamic events" that took place on a specific date, why don't we have such article about the month, which would enable us to list events ranging from 29 to 30 days on a single article. The dates aren't normally used outside Islamic world. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 05:47, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    "If this kind of articles is allowed, then it should have all important issues, but converted to the Islamic calendar", well this is a nice point as well, provided that we don't end up duplicating a bulk of content. I think we should do this on the name of month only instead of the date as we don't exactly get the correct conversion date. Events in Muharram, Rajab, Shaban, Ramadan etc, and list everything major from all over.─ The Aafī ^(talk) 05:53, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I don't think the article in its current form is okay to be here. I'd however propose that the entries be moved to a specific list article that lists events that happened in the month of Rajab throughout the history. Well, we can have that easily, 12 lists for 12 months! We would be duplicating entries from the common Christian calendar that is generally used, in case we start making such lists for "each day" from "every calendar". ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 05:43, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep it's Islamic calendar Which Presents events that happened or happens related to Muslims and Islam i believe it is ok to be there.--—— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 21:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, and restrict to Islamic events.Jackattack1597 (talk) 21:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why? Why would we have list articles for a date, but restrict them on religious grounds? How doesn't that violate WP:NPOV? Fram (talk) 07:28, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep; restrict to Islamic events and people. Given that religious festivals/events and historians/scholarly writers in the muslim world routinely use this calendar, its of use to both researchers and readers in this content area to have a wiki articles on the individual days of this calendar in relation to that subject specific content/cultural area. While we could feasibly allow such pages to also include material outside of that area (such as global events), that would seem to be an unnecessary WP:FORK of that material on the English language wiki where we have plenty of coverage already. The value of this material is covering the Islamic world within its own cultural frame of reference, and providing supports for those consuming reference materials written by Islamic scholars.4meter4 (talk) 16:42, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.