Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 in home video

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The "keep" !votes boil down to WP:ILIKEIT and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, whereas the delete !votes are solidly based in policy. Randykitty (talk) 14:17, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 in home video

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This is an incomplete list of Blue-Ray DVD scheduled for release WP:NOTSTATS List does not meet WP:LISTN or WP:GNG Whiteguru (talk) 07:25, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Whiteguru (talk) 07:25, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Entertainment-related deletion discussions. Whiteguru (talk) 07:25, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. Whiteguru (talk) 07:25, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Whiteguru (talk) 07:25, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The list is incomplete because 2022 hasn't even started yet (and a major waste of time-traveling powers if it was sourced in full now). It's sourced according to the guidelines established for every year's 'in home video' article. Nate • (chatter) 08:19, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The list is fine, just like all other lists of this type. Its a valid navigational list since it links to articles people will want to find when searching for what new films are available in 2022. Dream Focus 14:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks references supporting that WP:NLIST is met, and the category fulfils the purpose as a navigational aid. MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:40, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates clearly states you shouldn't delete one because another one does the same thing. List and categories can both exist for the same thing. A list allows more information so its always more useful than a category. Dream Focus 22:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:NOTTVGUIDE. And WP:NLIST also applies. MrsSnoozyTurtle 23:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, reading the second of two paragraphs at WP:NLIST is a good idea. It reads in part: Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. Dream Focus 00:30, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete For failing WP:NLIST and WP:GNG. I can almost guarantee that 99% of what's put on here eventually won't be notable and that the list is un-maintainable in the meantime either way. There's an infinite amount of DVD releases every year. It's to easy for something like this to turn into mindless trivia, it's all WP:MILL, Etc. Etc. I really can't think of a single reason this list should exist. If people want to find what new films are available in 2022 they can find the information a lot better by do a Google search or looking at an actual movie review website. --Adamant1 (talk) 15:20, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What about all the others at Category:Home video by year? Every year since 1971 is listed. 2021 in home video has 1316 entries. All of the entries have a reference. Dream Focus 15:45, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. MrsSnoozyTurtle 23:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not relevant here. These are all the same, just for different years. Any deletion nomination for one should include all of them. Anyway, my point was in response to the comment about there being an infinite amount of DVD releases each year. I pointed out there is a limited number of things listed in each article, all referenced to prove they are worthy of being on the list. We don't list every single thing released of course. Dream Focus 00:33, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it is relevant. The AfD nominator can choose to nominate one article, a few or all of them. Any attempt to increase the efficiency of AfD nominations is optional. MrsSnoozyTurtle 03:58, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. People can nominate similar articles in whatever way they feel like. In the meantime it would be weird if I was voted keep just because the articles weren't nominated all at once even though I believe they should be deleted as individual articles. I'm sure the other ones will come up for deletion at some point, since all of them seem to have the same problems raised by nominator about this one, and baring any unforeseen circumstances I'm more then happy to vote delete on the other ones when or if they do get sent to AfD. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question - how meaningful is this list in 2022 (or 2021 for that matter). I imagine many movies don't even go to DVD these days, and release dates have been messy especially since the start of the pandemic. Today, the more meaningful dates would be when something is available for streaming, but of course then you may have a variety of dates for different platforms, limited releases, etc. Regardless, at what points does a tiny part of the industry stop needing its own dedicated list. I mean we're even still calling it home video. Not a !vote - just a question. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:29, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
When its available to pay for viewing by streaming is it not also available for purchase on DVD or BluRay? Reliable sources list when something is available for release by any of these methods of course. The list articles could easily add in a category for that. Dream Focus 00:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is a good question, Rhododendrites, since the home video article implies that streaming is a separate category.
Similar issues regarding the dates also exist for these "home video" releases, since release dates are often different between countries. MrsSnoozyTurtle 03:58, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing worth mentioning is that none of these movies are notable for the year they were/are released. So it's a totally arbitrary list in that regard. It might as well be 2022 home videos with actors or whatever. Being released on physical media isn't a defining, notable, characteristic of movies or television shows anymore then something like that they featured actors would be. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:49, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

At least when home video was bigger, it was very easy to find lots of lists in reliable sources of what was released when. That's still true of streaming now. List members don't have to be notable for the criterion that admits them to a list (at least not by default for non-BLPs). The list subject itself does need to be notable, though. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 12:52, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The lead does at least specify the list is about the US/CA. The title should probably reflect that. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 12:52, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So effectively the topic of the article is List of Blu-Ray and DVD releases in the United States and Canada in 2022? Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:31, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's what it seems to be. --Adamant1 (talk) 03:34, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete per WP:NOTCATALOGUE. This is essentially just a list of Amazon links to movie releases that readers can purchase DVD or other media. There is nothing encyclopedic about listing every single home media release that is available in a particular year nor advertising one of the biggest online movie distributors in the world. This should also set a precedent for all earlier years dating back to 1971: Category:Home video by year. Ajf773 (talk) 20:33, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment-- I agree it's a literal Amazon catalogue but there is lots of "year in home video" articles already (similarly formatted) and if this must be deleted then all similar article must be too-- Gerald WL 18:31, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BD2412 T 07:49, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. Please, You guys don't even understand, This list is important, I don't care if it's just amazon catalogues, It's really important, I am saving this list! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.46.140.39 (talk) 14:08, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not a policy related argument. Ajf773 (talk) 02:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep dvds as a yearly list-group is regularly covered in significant detail by dvd reliable sources such as DVD Talk and DVD Verdict, therefore WP:NLIST is passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 17:35, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete: All home video articles have been deleted. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Archive 78 / WP:LISTCRUFT. Its only source, Blu-ray.com, has been deemed unreliable by WP:FILM; see Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Resources#Questionable resources. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:43, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. I reinstated all the pages. It's not true that its only source is the "unreliable" Blu-ray.com. Despite being mainly a catalogue for Amazon links, that's no good reason to just suddenly redirect all the hard work into making these articles. Ryayan855 (talk) 21:12, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ryayan855: The articles serve no purpose (WP:LISTCRUFT). Wikipedia is NOT a catalog (WP:NOTCATALOG). It is not our problem that you and other editors spent their valuable time working on them. They are meaningless and should be deleted. The main source, Blu-ray.com, is unreliable. If a reader wants to know when a film became available on DVD, they can go to that's film article and find out for themselves. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 22:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ryayan855: Firstly you offer no real reason for keeping this article (and subsequently the others). Secondly most of the content is not verified with the sourced provided. Thirdly, Wikipedia is not a catalogue of every thing available to be purchased. The only thing that needs to come out of this entire category of articles is a single article outlying milestones in home video (adequately sourced as well). Ajf773 (talk) 10:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Home releases themselves are not notable and this is veering into serious catalogue and cruft territory. Delete this, then delete the other articles following suit. ~Cheers, Ten Ton Parasol 23:18, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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