Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Saidia incident

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to Algeria–Morocco relations. Star Mississippi 22:54, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Saidia incident

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Although this article is well sourced and there was some international coverage of the events described, I am not sure that the coverage is sustained enough or the events significant enough to make the topic notable. Mccapra (talk) 07:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bilateral relations, Algeria, and Morocco. Mccapra (talk) 07:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 07:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 07:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Seems well sourced and sufficient to meet notability criteria. Greenman (talk) 07:48, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There was a sustainable controversy regarding Algeria refusing to send back Abdelali Mchiouer's body: 1 2 3 4

Ismaïl Snabi's still in prison: 1 2 NAADAAN (talk) 11:14, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Worldwide coverage as NADAAN explained Riad Salih (talk) 01:09, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- On current showing, I'd have to lean toward deletion based on WP:NEVENT and WP:NCRIME. All of the sources currently cited are WP:PRIMARYNEWS. To by valid for mainspace, there need to be secondary sources that analyse the event in WP:DEPTH or show lasting WP:EFFECTS. It also appears that the coverage is specific to the timeframe of the original incident, which would fail WP:PERSISTENCE. I am not ready to !vote until I see if anyone can resolve those issues with sources that are not accessible to me due to language barriers. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 13:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Selective merge to Algeria–Morocco relations. The sourcing appears to be routine news coverage of the event and its aftermath, so it's not notable in its own right, but there is relevant information for the target article. I wonder if Mccapra or Last1in would be willing to consider this as an alternative to deletion. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly thank you that sounds very sensible. Mccapra (talk) 20:22, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can support a merge to Algeria–Morocco relations as well. My only concern is that we should be looking for secondary sources there as well, and I still can't find any for this event. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 14:12, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist, leaning towards a merge.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NotAGenious (talk) 08:55, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge if secondary sourcing can be found to support balanced addition to the target page.

JoelleJay (talk) 19:53, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Algeria–Morocco relations: if the event turns out to have a WP:LASTING effect on the bilateral relations, it can always be spun off. Owen× ☎ 21:43, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Algeria–Morocco relations a properly sourced and neutral version per above. Not every incident needs or has the WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS sources to support a stand alone article. There is a good target for the merge, it will be improved, and the content/history will be accessible. // Timothy :: talk 15:28, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.