Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ada Aharoni

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The result was keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:29, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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BLP is grossly under-sourced, and what citation there is is largely derived from primary interviews or works. No single clear case for notability is evident. It is claimed that she was a professor at Pennsylvania, but this is unsourced and it is unclear if this was a fully tenured position. Her sociological work has only been cited in local media, and it is also unclear if her body of poetry is influential. Added to which which is the concern raised in September 2020 that a major contributor may have had a close connection with its subject. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:32, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a crystal clear case of unnotable person with an exaggerate unsourced self-promotion. Tzahy (talk) 12:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Poetry, Social science, and Israel. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:32, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I'm going to sit on the fence for now, but there is significant evidence in book sources that her poetry has been widely referenced, quoted and anthologised in books as well as peer reviewed journals. The issue here appears to be that much of that history is pre-internet, and that many of these sources remain to be digitised. You'll find her in books like "The Dispersion of Egyptian Jewry: Culture, Politics, and the Formation of a Modern Diaspora (Volume 11) (Contraversions: Critical Studies in Jewish Literature, Culture, and Society)" - pretty esoteric stuff, but there's an awful lot of it out there, including many contributions to publications like "PEACE STUDIES, PUBLIC POLICY AND GLOBAL SECURITY" - her poetry is discussed and analysed in The Language of Peace - Communicating to Create Harmony and so on and so on. It's not three whambam past GNG and looking back at the nom with a raspberry, but it's food for thought. There's a lot out there and what's there speaks to there being more. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:17, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The page, as it stands, certainly already speaks to a certain volume of coverage - what is unclear to me at this point is if there is sufficient quality and reliability of coverage. I see a lot of marginal sources, including peace stuff that could well be more related to the subject's leadership role in the organizations that they themselves founded and clearly somewhat self-promotional career than a reflection of impact in the field of sociology and conflict studies. The peer-reviewed journal above is another example of a slightly marginal-looking source - not sure how to view 'Langlit', but it seems absent from the likes of jstor. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:47, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Found it here at Academia.edu - it's a 'thing'. But we don't disagree - there's a lot of stuff, but is it the stuff of notability? I'm unsure, to be honest. One issue is date - pre-internet papers, books etc. I'm usually able to be a little more decisive. Honest! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:30, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, noted author and poet winning notable prizes, see national library entry. She's a notable enough that a book have been written and translated from Arabic (مفهوم السلام في شعر عادا أهاروني) on her work. She is also analyzed in the article: Afrangiya Yahudiya - the literary-documentary oeuvre of Ada Aharoni on the twentieth-century Exodus in the מחקרי ירושלים בספרות עברית journal. I agree the articles on the English Wikipedia and Hebrew Wikipedia could be improved with better citations. There are also articles in Arabic and Egyptian Arabic Wikipedias that could also probably be improved.Researcher (Hebrew: חוקרת) (talk) 13:35, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Please see WP:NAWARD about prize notability:... if the award is to be used as a notability criteria, and, by extension, an article source, it must itself be considered notable. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  NAWARD is not a notability guideline. It was a proposal, and it failed. Jacona (talk) 21:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Tipped me over the edge, there. The book alone, together with the anthologies and other evidence of papers that haven't made it into digitalisation/the Internet, speak of a notable person. Article needs a HECK of a lot of work, mind, but (altogether now) AfD isn't cleanup! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:03, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm a bit confused by that book - forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the book listing say that she and her husband were editors? That doesn't count as independent, right? Iskandar323 (talk) 14:32, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Of the translation to Hebrew. The original book, from 1994 I think, is in Arabic by professor Mohamed Daif.Researcher (Hebrew: חוקרת) (talk) 14:37, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Right now, I see this as "No consensus" but will relist this discussion one week to see if a more conclusive outcome is possible.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:01, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The sources provided above by Alexandermcnabb and Researcher (Hebrew: חוקרת) are sufficient WP:SIGCOV to passWP:GNG. Jacona (talk) 12:19, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep seems to meet WP:GNG given the sources mentioned. WP:DINC. -Kj cheetham (talk) 21:49, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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