Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al-Wahs (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Nomination Withdrawn‎. I Withdraw my Nomination (non-admin closure) 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 20:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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All 3 sources listed are Unreliable, Fails WP:GNG, Fails WP:SIGCOV, Fails WP:NGEO. (Second Nomination) 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 04:49, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Yemen. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 04:49, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep its an administrative unit which are generally presumed notable even if sources currently in the article are unreliable. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The Article Fails WP:NGEO "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable"

  Fails WP:GNG "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."

  Fails SIGCOV "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.

  The sources listed fail WP:SIGCOV, making the article fail WP:GNG, and even then it would only be presumed notable.

  😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 18:01, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Why would an 'Uzlah not be notable? Schwede66 07:13, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep notable per WP:GEOLAND which is our WP:SNG Lightburst (talk) 15:24, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It still fails WP:GEOLAND, and it says Presumed and WP:GNG still applies and states "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."

  Fails SIGCOV "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material."

  The sources listed fail WP:SIGCOV, making the article fail WP:GNG & WP:GEOLAND, and even then it would only be presumed notable. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 21:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PaulGamerBoy360 You misunderstood what @Schwede66: said, - they stated that Al-Wahs is a 'Uzlah our article calls it a sub-district. Lightburst (talk) 21:30, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, i deleted that part but the fact is it still fails WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV, & WP:GEOLAND. & even if it didn't fail them it would still only be presumed notable. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 21:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Clearly passes WP:GEOLAND as explained above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  no it does not, WP:GEOLAND states the following: "The inclusion of a man-made geographical feature on maps or in directories is insufficient to establish topic notability. Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable." 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 15:04, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Presumed notable is notable; recognized as a legal place and is populated. Source is not merely a map, so meets WP:GEOLAND. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 16:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Presumed notable is NOT notable See this "Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 18:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

and it doesn't even have "Significant coverage in reliable sources" 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 18:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The implicit deletion reason here is WP:DEL-REASON#8, which is to say that this article's subjectfail[s] to meet the relevant notability guideline (emphasis mine). In this case, we have a very simple set of facts: this is very clearly a geographical entity, and the relevant SNG is WP:GEOLAND. What we have here is quite simply a legally recognized populated place, so the relevant notability criterion is met, and there is no good policy basis for deletion that has been presented. That there is news about events that have happened here (for example, coverage of a murder in the town [1], [2], [3], [4]) is secondary to the fact that the relevant notability criterion is met.
  Additionally, the claim that there's no significant coverage of this town seems a bit like a stretch. Even with my extremely limited knowledge of Arabic, I was able to find a digital source covering road paving in the town—I'm fairly confident that an individual with better understanding of the local language/culture and local print sources would be able to build this article out. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:17, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Go ahead and add the sources, there is no point in mentioning them if you aren't going to add them. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 18:46, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  If you add the sources I will Withdraw the Nomination. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 18:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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