Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al Rosas (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:02, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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NN farmer, fails the GNG, and to the degree they pertain, WP:BIO, WP:CORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. No significant coverage in reliable sources found (although he sure has his FB, Linkedin and social media advertising in) beyond press releases, casual mentions and namedrops. Notability tagged for over a decade. Ravenswing 02:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Ravenswing 02:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Ravenswing 02:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. Ravenswing 02:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom --Devokewater 10:01, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The fact that this unsourced overly promotional article has stood for over 12 years shows that the claim that Wikipedia is not LinkedIn is not built upon current practice, but it is the implication of current policy so we need to act swiftly to remove this promotional article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:24, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• comment. Do not judge by present form-- actually a number of possibly usable references were removed by the nominator because of the " broken links" but a reference remains valid despite a broken link DGG ( talk ) 01:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - non-notable per WP:BIO. Of the three refs that were on the article before the nominator removed them: the first ref was available on archive.org, here, which does cite the "Rosas Farm" (note, not Al Rosas himself) as "one of the top small businesses in the United States" - but this is only a passing mention of the person - imo, not enough for an article. The second ref was also on archive.org, here - this is a press release, so not good enough for proving notability of either the company (which is what the press release is about), nor the person. The third ref is already a link to archive.org - but none of the versions of that ref on archive.org actually appear to work, so I can't read it. I can't find any other reliable sources elsewhere for Al Rosas. In the future, there may possibly be enough sources for the company, but almost definitely not for Al Rosas himself. Seagull123 Φ 12:26, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Sherman, Chris (2008-03-05). "The Grass Is Greener". Tampa Bay Times. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10.
  2. Daniel, Diane (2008-11-02). "Florida farm an organic gourmand's delight". The Boston Globe. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10.
  3. Allen, Rick (2014-07-30). "Chef Al brings the goods to Ocala proper". Star-Banner. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10.
  4. Allen, Rick (2009-12-03). "Organic, fresh, local, sustainable food - in a restaurant". Star-Banner. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10.
  5. Brooks, Jeff (2007-10-08). "Rosas Farms, Sysco Jacksonville ink deal". Star-Banner. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10.
  6. Macher, Alan (2006-07-05). "Organic Food". Star-Banner. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10.
  7. Allen, Rick (2008-01-10). "Rosas to be honored, and Rick to be eating". Star-Banner. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10.

  Sources with quotes

  Sherman, Chris (2008-03-05). "The Grass Is Greener". Tampa Bay Times. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10. The article notes: Daniel, Diane (2008-11-02). "Florida farm an organic gourmand's delight". The Boston Globe. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10. The article notes: Allen, Rick (2014-07-30). "Chef Al brings the goods to Ocala proper". Star-Banner. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10. The article notes: Allen, Rick (2009-12-03). "Organic, fresh, local, sustainable food - in a restaurant". Star-Banner. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10. The article notes: Brooks, Jeff (2007-10-08). "Rosas Farms, Sysco Jacksonville ink deal". Star-Banner. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10. The article notes: Macher, Alan (2006-07-05). "Organic Food". Star-Banner. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10. The article notes: Allen, Rick (2008-01-10). "Rosas to be honored, and Rick to be eating". Star-Banner. Archived from the original on 2020-08-10. Retrieved 2020-08-10. The article notes:

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Al Rosas to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 10:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria says: "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability."

  After combining all the sources here, there is enough biographical material about Al Rosas to establish notability.

  Cunard (talk) 10:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Pinging Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al Rosas participants: Mfield (talk · contribs), Brossow (talk · contribs), South Bay (talk · contribs), Whpq (talk · contribs), Kimchi.sg (talk · contribs), and TheFeds (talk · contribs).

  Cunard (talk) 10:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• I rewrote the article. The article previously had 0 sources. It now has seven sources.

  Cunard (talk) 10:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - My opinion from the first AFD remains the same. There is sufficient coverage in independent reliable sources to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 11:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. per WP:SIRS, series of coverage in same paper or by the same journalist counts as one.. and in my opinion, the above source analysis shouldn't just be skimmed through. One of the source says "With some 600 restaurants in the area, that’s a heck of a lot of phone calls to make to find out which restaurants will be open Christmas day. But you can help! If your restaurant is planning to be open, or you know of one that will be, please let me know so I can share the news with everyone else. I’m planning to run the list of any places I know of that will be open in my Dec. 17 column in Go. So I need to know no later than Dec. 14 at noon (local time, not Timbuktu Standard). Contact me at". A coverage that is initiated by the business itself does not constitute a secondary source. I am thinking some of the source gathering and report generation is automated and does not consider the context. Graywalls (talk) 11:22, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I've already !voted (delete) above, but since then, the article has been updated with a few more references. In light of this (as my arguments from my earlier comment seem to have been made somewhat redundant now), I went through these refs with this tool to try and see how good they are for establishing notability. What I think following this is that all of these refs are questionable regarding "in-depth coverage": all of them seem to talk in equal parts about Al Rosas, and his wife, and their farm "Rosas Farm". Therefore, I don't believe they are in-depth enough about Al in particular (as this article, and deletion discussion, is about Al in particular). In all these refs, Al seems to be given the same amount and depth of coverage as his wife and their farm - therefore, they're all questionable in establishing notability for Al Rosas, and so my earlier comment that Al Rosas isn't notable per WP:BIO still stands even with the updated article; just with a slightly different reasoning. Seagull123 Φ 22:33, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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