Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amazing Science Stories

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The result was merge to Thrills Incorporated. -- Scott Burley (talk) 21:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Short lived science fiction magazine that ran for two issues. Due to its extremely short length, there's nothing else to ever say about the magazine other than what's on there. And it's so short lived, it's not really notable. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:14, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I created the article (I think when working on Amazing Stories, to disambiguate it), so for now I'll hold off on !voting keep or delete and wait to see what others think. Meanwhile, here's what I have in the way of sources:
  • SFE3, cited in the article in the earlier print edition. This is an (extremely short) article about this magazine.
  • Ashley, Mike (2005). Transformations:The Story of the Science-Fiction Magazines from 1950 to 1970. Liverpool: Liverpool University Press. ISBN 0-85323-779-4.: this just includes the magazine in a list of sf magazines; there's no discussion.
  • Tymn, Marshall B.; Mike Ashley (1985). Science Fiction, Fantasy and Weird Fiction Magazines. West: Greenwood Press. ISBN 0-313-21221-X.: There's a half-page devoted to the magazine in this encyclopedia; it lists some of the stories and provides bibliographic information.

    Just realized this sounds like it's just an entry in a list; it's not. It's a discussion of the magazine, followed by some bibliographic information about it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:08, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Blackford, Russell; et al. (1999). Strange Constellations. Westport, Connecticut: Greenwood Press. ISBN 0-313-25112-6.: mentions it on p. 64.

The magazine was mostly (but not entirely) a reprint of the Australian magazine Thrills Incorporated, which does not yet have its own article, but definitely should -- Tymn & Ashley have two and a half pages on it and there are more sources elsewhere. If the article doesn't survive this AfD, I think it would be reasonable to merge it into Thrills Incorporated when that article is created; or it could be moved to that name with an explanatory initial sentence. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:45, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 05:39, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 05:39, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 05:40, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• 'Delete Does not appear to have substantive sources to establish notability. Reywas92^Talk 06:00, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The length of the run is unimportant – see WP:NOTBIGENOUGH. The subject appears in numerous histories of SF publishing, including the following. Andrew D. (talk) 11:40, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

1. The History of the Science Fiction Magazine
2. Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Weird Fiction Magazines
3. Transformations: The Story of the Science Fiction Magazines from 1950 to 1970
4. Strange Constellations: A History of Australian Science Fiction
5. The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction
6. The Science Fiction Magazines
7. The Visual Encyclopedia of Science Fiction
8. The Complete Checklist of Science-fiction Magazines
9. The MUP Encyclopaedia of Australian Science Fiction and Fantasy
10. Time Machines, The Story of the Science-Fiction Pulp Magazines From the Beginning to 1950

Commment: The issue with size is that, since it ran for exactly two issues, what else could possibly be said about it? Its history is so brief that nothing happened and it can be summarized in exactly 2 sentences. Thus I cite WP:PERMASTUB. The other issue is that most of the sources you cite are guidebooks and encyclopedias, which attempt to be thorough and name every single sci-fi source. Thus, they can't be used for notability, since such books list everything. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:06, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The argument that a two-issue magazine can have nothing interesting to say about it is demonstrably not true. Here are some GAs on very short runs: Space Science Fiction Magazine (one issue), Fantasy (1938 magazine) (three issues), Miracle Science and Fantasy Stories (two issues), Tops in Science Fiction (two issues), and 10 Story Fantasy (one issue). A couple of FAs on very short runs: Science-Fiction Plus (seven issues), and Cosmic Stories and Stirring Science Stories (seven issues). I think the question is what the sources do say, and while you're right that most of the above simply include Amazing Science Stories in a list, both the SF Encyclopedia and the Tymn/Ashley Encyclopedia give the magazine a separate entry. So far I think the best idea is to make the magazine part of a future Thrills Incorporated article. It could also be part of an article on Pemberton's UK reprint magazines, of which there were several, but most of those are going to be covered separately anyway -- e.g. the Pemberton's edition of Planet Stories is described in that article. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:45, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If there is enough material for a Pemberton's article then I think that is a better idea than my suggestion of Thrills Incorporated even if information on Pemberton is already scattered across multiple articles. In any event, I am at WP:PRESERVE on this one. SpinningSpark 08:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have enough specifically about Pemberton's to be comfortable creating an article on it yet. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Move to Thrills Incorporated and mark as needing expansion. This seems more like a footnote to the Australian magazine's story rather than independently notable. Thrills Incorporated itself is demonstrably notable. SpinningSpark 20:45, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Move to Thrills Incorporated per Spinningspark and Mike Christie. Aoba47 (talk) 12:11, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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