Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ancient Greek grammar (tables with transliteration)/Adjectives

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There's clear agreement here that these are not appropriate encyclopedia articles, but would be valuable in another setting. As somebody has already moved them to wikt:Appendix:Ancient Greek grammar tables, I'm just going to delete them here. I also added a note on the talk (discussion?) page there to give some more history. I'm not an expert on the licensing/copyright issues around transwikification; if there's anything else I should do, please ping me. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:01, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear, I also deleted:

• Ancient Greek grammar (tables with transliteration)/Definite article and nouns
• Ancient Greek grammar (tables with transliteration)/Verbs
• Ancient Greek grammar (tables)

-- RoySmith (talk) 20:05, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This article should be moved to Wiktionary as an appendix, and deleted from Wikipedia for unencyclopedicity. An example of such an appendix: wiktionary:Appendix:Ancient Greek second declension. Professorjohnas (talk) 13:52, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 13:55, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 13:55, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 13:55, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Similar articles: Ancient Greek grammar (tables with transliteration)/Definite article and nouns, Ancient Greek grammar (tables with transliteration)/Verbs, Ancient Greek grammar (tables). Professorjohnas (talk) 13:58, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• This article has no text and only transcludes a section of Ancient Greek grammar (tables). – Uanfala (talk) 15:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• I thought that transliteration of the Greek words might be valuable for some readers, so I created an alternative version of Ancient Greek grammar (tables) with transliteration. The tables had to be displayed on three separate pages because the generation of transliteration (via Module:Ancient Greek) for all the terms in the tables was too expensive, in Lua memory or processing time, I don't remember which. There are a number of ways that I could see to fix that problem, so that the tables with transliteration could be displayed on one page, but it would be time-consuming.
• I don't know if this and the other three articles fulfill Wikipedia's policies on inclusion. But I am curious why Ancient Greek grammar (tables with transliteration)/Adjectives is being nominated for deletion when Ancient Greek grammar (tables), which has been around for quite a long time, has not. Is it the subpage /Adjectives or the lack of a lead? (That would qualify two other articles mentioned above, Ancient Greek grammar (tables with transliteration)/Definite article and nouns, Ancient Greek grammar (tables with transliteration)/Verbs.) Or are all four articles mentioned above being proposed for deletion equally? — Eru·tuon 20:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Ship all four articles off to Wiktionary if the markup works there (or can be easily modified to do so). This isn't content for the Wikipedia mainspace but hopefully we can find somewhere to put it as it looks very valuable to experts in this area (though with no knowledge of the subject area, I could be wrong). — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 01:58, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Ideally, an article shouldn't consist solely of tables (just as a list article sholdn't just consist in a bare list), but it's a step in the right direction. It's possible to build prose text around those table, explaining the patterns observed and relating their prior history and subsequent development: Ancient Greek is a damn well studied language, so there's no question there won't be sources for that. Just noting further that this article doesn't duplicate Ancient Greek grammar as it's more specific and has a different focus. Also, articles like this are a pretty standard feature of wikipedia: see Spanish conjugation for one that is more or less at the same stage of development, and Latin conjugation for one that has a bit more prose around the table skeleton. – Uanfala (talk) 02:17, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Erutuon, I meant to nominate all the four articles for deletion. It was just that I did not (and still do not) know how to submit a multiple nomination using TW. I will nominate the other three for deletion if this one is deleted. By the way, these are very well-made tables, and I can tell how useful they are for Ancient Greek learners. I would love to see them flourish on our sister website. Professorjohnas (talk) 18:05, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Uanfala, I would say that both Spanish conjugation and Latin conjugation are encyclopedic because they include not just tables. Professorjohnas (talk) 18:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Copy all of them to Wiktionary, and turn the Wikipedia pages into redirects to those new pages. Hill Crest's WikiLaser! (BOOM!) 20:25, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on the response to Uanfala by @Professorjohnas:, Merge - incorporate the tables into Ancient Greek nouns et al. Hill Crest's WikiLaser! (BOOM!) 01:42, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Move all four articles to Wiktionary. Far too in depth to be able to merge to their relevant Ancient Greek grammar articles. Better off in Wiktionary. EstablishedCalculus 23:06, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete a clear case of WP:NOT. power~enwiki (π, ν) 05:09, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. We are not a grammar textbook. Sandstein 10:34, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOT, this isn't an encyclopedia article (or a list etc) and has no hope of ever becoming one. Somebody has already moved the content to Wiktionary as wikt:Appendix:Ancient Greek grammar tables, the edit histories of the four pages here don't have anything in them so we don't need to keep those but I suggest somebody find the original source of this text and copy over the edit history to avoid Wiktionary breaching copyright. Hut 8.5 18:39, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.