Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/April Palmieri

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Lennart97 (talk) 04:20, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Appears to fail WP:GNG/WP:NMUSIC; I can not find any significant coverage about her individually, and very little about the band she was in. The one cited source documents that she donated to Fales Library a collection of materials relevant to the 80s NYC downtown scene and John Sex in particular, but as such it does not establish her notability as an individual, as far as I can tell. Lennart97 (talk) 13:36, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment - I'm going to see if I can improve this before I !vote. She was part of the NYC punk scene in the 80s, and is also a photographer who documented that period. Her work was included in the Club 57: Film, Performance, and Art in the East Village, 1978-1983 exhibition at the Museum of Modern Art, NYC.[1] Netherzone (talk) 14:36, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Weak keep - I have found a few other exhibitions her work was included in, 25 of her documentary photos were shown at the Tate Liverpool, these later traveled to another venue. However, it was a show about Keith Haring, not about her. It seems that she is now being noticed as a photographer in her own right and it may be a case of TOOSOON. I've improved the article with 8 new sources altho I must admit the sourcing is weak, since it includes press releases and show listings which are not SIGCOV. I've found reviews of Pulsallama (her band) in the NYTimes and Washington Post, but they don't mention her by name. The band was recognized enough to open for The Clash and also for The Go-Gos in the 80s. Her notability is very borderline but I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt unless I'm convinced otherwise. Netherzone (talk) 15:56, 15 March 2021 (UTC) Changing from weak keep to keep, enough material has been found (and added to the article) to satisfy WP:NARTIST and probably GNG. Netherzone (talk) 23:13, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for your work on the article, it's certainly in much better shape now than when I nominated it! I'm still leaning delete based on the lack of SIGCOV, but let's see what others have to say. Lennart97 (talk) 16:08, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• keep per WP:HEY, NARTIST 4(b), and because her papers are collected in the downtown collection at Fales. Netherzone has made a Heymann Standard worth of improvements, which include three major museum group exhibitions. Saying that her photographs were of Haring, or John Sex, or Club 57 and thus should not be considered, is like saying Hans Namuth's photographs were of Pollock, de Kooning, and Rothko, and because notability is not inherited, none of those photographs can be considered here for N. Lastly, I want us to consider carefully what it means when a major major archive collects someone's papers: it is a significant marker of the esteem that the field holds the person and their work. The Downtown Collection at Fales Library is the collection for primary materials related to NYC art making after 1970. Similarly, I think we need to consider being asked for an oral history as part of the Smithsonian Archives of American Art [2] as clearly establishing N. In both cases, these are highly curated collections. Theredproject (talk) 08:01, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above and per WP:CREATIVE, because she "has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work" with her band, which has been the subject of "multiple independent periodical articles or reviews," (e.g. BandCamp 2020, NYT 1982, etc.) and her photography appears to have "been a substantial part of a significant exhibition," including at MoMA and the Tate. I'd like to revise the article somewhat per the essay WP:WAW, i.e. "A woman's relationships are inevitably discussed prominently when essential to her notability, but try to focus on her own notable roles or accomplishments first," including because emphasizing her relationship to John Sex in the lead, instead of accomplishments like her photography exhibited in major museums may make the article seem more deletion-worthy than it actually is. Beccaynr (talk) 01:36, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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