Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arta Musaraj

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The result was delete. Despite the number of SPA !votes in support, none of them were able to produce sources to support the claims made. So Why 14:02, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Arta Musaraj

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Probably fails WP:NACADEMIC and WP:GNG. Article creator was permanently blocked in 2010, and there has been at least one SPA since then. Some discussion at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Arta_Musaraj. Edwardx (talk) 16:04, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:06, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:07, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:08, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by SPAs

Stay The issue of notability cannot be discussed in this case. She is a well known academic and professor in different foreign international universities "University of Vienna" or "University of Rome La Sapienza, the Largest University in Europe", this last one according to "Wikipedia", which accorded to her the highest prize, the "Silver Medal of Sapienza University", politician and minister in her country. Appearance in News does not make the difference or has a special meaning since it depend on the news, type of media, will and opinion of who selects the publication of certain news. Stay For the following reasons:

First, it is not an issue of being Albanian and not and being credible or not for this reason. It is clear, that people show interest or involve in discussions in case if they have connections (knowledge about) with the personage, nature of article or the country. For sure, a reviewer or writer of an article must have a kind of connection to China or to the particular personage in order to get involved with an article for a Chinese billionaire. And this is not my case.

Second, before considering this issue a nationality of those who comment, by running the risk to go into nationalism or even racism, as far as I see, we have here comments for Stay from the Republic of Macedonia, From Italy, Hungary and from people with nationalities different from the Albanian one, who collaborate with Albania or have knowledge about the personage such as me (and I'm not Albanian by nationality) by collaborating with her in her journal.

Third, considering that the notability issue cannot be discussed in this case cause it is widely proved, I suggest to the Albanian editors to fix the article in Albanian and following up this example the English editors can fix the English article, as I myself can do, even if I do not consider myself a big expert in wiki writing. I'd like to repeat once again something I read above from other discussants: The times of London does not give Notability for free, for more when evaluating an university and ranking it among the first 500 of the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.236.39.177 (talk) 08:43, 9 August 2017 (UTC) — 109.236.39.177 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete - Weak sourcing and as such notability - perhaps on an Albania wikipedia but that is another story (please note, I do not add afd comments to my watchlist, if you want further comment you'll need to ask on my talkpage, thanks Govindaharihari (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by SPAs

Stay the request for cancellation seems exceeding. The article is informative from many years to now in Wikipedia, with a considerable number of verifiable sources as well as a valid number of external links which complete this article. I don't want to go into polemics with someone which calls it "known in Albania" cause it smells like racism, and as a Wikipedia reader I consider this as an assault of the parity principle. Talking about the notability argument, the editor in chief of an international scientific journal, female univeristy chancellor with verifiable font considered to be the first female rector in the history of her country, even if Albania, also minister in her country, cannot be considered as lack of info and proofs of notability. At the end, an article which has informed wikipedians for almost a decade cannot be cancelled starting from point of views or personal considerations. Thank you A.J.Succi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.21.145.227 (talk) 23:00, 29 July 2017 (UTC) — 217.21.145.227 has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Stay: Understandably, the current quality of the article is poor, and I do not know how in time has evolved into this condition, but I believe the subject is notable enough to have an article.--Liridon (talk) 08:16, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Many of the sources appear to be in Italian. The two people I know who are fluent in Italian are Ipigott and Camelia.boban. If they have time, I hope they can look at this and assess notability. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:48, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by SPAs

Do not delete and Comment: The article talks about an Albanian academician. Pretty wellknown in the Albanian higher education environment in which I work at. The notability is indisscused with about 50.000 websources. I'm an Italian professor and the external Italian links are of the Italian ministries of Culture and that of Education and Science, as well as from the Italian National News agency, ANSA, fourth in the world ranking. The wikipedian colleagues can assist in the improvement of this article, which must stay in any case. In one of the external links I read that she published and introduced in collaborations with these ministries, in Rome, Italy, works of Franco Ferrarotti, the most wellknown Italian sociologist worldwide. This are testimonies of an International notability. Greetings, Villafranca — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.106.209.146 (talk) 12:51, 31 July 2017 (UTC) — 79.106.209.146 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Stay. The resources in italian don't say much because refers to articles written by Arta Musaraj. But searching on web I found a lot of sources which confirm that is a notable person, non only as professor, founder of Academicus and general coordinator of the Entrepreneurship Training Center, but also as Deputy Minister of Defence of Albania: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc. So, for me the notability is not a real issue to be discussed, I think the article can/must be improved, also balancing the sections (I find the section of external links disproportionate to the rest of the content) --Camelia (talk) 09:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by SPAs

Stay. Here is another link for the 'Notablity issue', The Times Higher Education makes this annotation on this case:“One notable former student is the founder and editor-in-chief of academic journal Academicus, Arta Musaraj, who studied for her PhD in Bergamo”. --Shimjung (talk) 21:47, 1 August 2017 (UTC) — Shimjung (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Comment. Greetings from Albania. It is the first time I’m taking part in a Wikipedia discussion and I’m now more convinced not to open an account. In cases when I made any comment or review in wiki, I did it just trying to facilitate and for the benefit of readers. From the history I learned that someone else did the same, by changing the word External links to Social media. This made upset the editors, making them open the cancellation discussion for this article. Perhaps someone limited in knowledge and experience in Wikipedia, just like me. In this case, the improvement of this article could have been an option, instead of cancellation. All above just for comment.

Now, let’s go back to the discussion topic:

Stay for the following reasons:

Few years ago, in the ocassion of the 100th anniversary of the Independence of Albania, "the most important television in Albania", through a popular voting, selected this person as part of the 100 Albanian of the century who made known Albania in the world.

In any case, it is less significative referring to the importance of a comment I read above in this discussion, referring Times of London, where the editors of Thomson Reuters who made the University Ranking for Times Higher Education claimed that this person was the most notable accademic personality of an university, ranked among the first 500 in the world. In this case, the notability can not be placed in discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.21.145.225 (talk) 14:18, 2 August 2017 (UTC) — 217.21.145.225 has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete I am wholly unconvinced by all the Albanians saying 'Stay.' There is no policy basis provided to stay anything here. A WP:BEFORE search indicates precisely zero references in reliable, third-party independent sources of the degree of depth and persistence of coverage required to pass the minimum of WP:ANYBIO. — fortunavelut luna 13:58, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 14:08, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Negligible impact on scholarship. WP:Too soon. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:17, 10 August 2017 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. Agree that scholarly contributions are not sufficient (h-index 4, no books listed in WorldCat, etc). This seems to have been created as a vanity page, judging from the creating acct's block log. Agricola44 (talk) 19:17, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, highly promotional, and insufficient sources for improvement. – Joe (talk) 11:00, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete highly promotional, fails WP:GNG Quinton Feldberg (talk) 00:33, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by SPAs

Stay. An answer to those above who asked the Delete, based on facts and personal point of views: In case someone considers not a academic contribution the fact of being twice Rector and Dean at Universities, this is an her/his problem, but this is not enough to shadow the facts, and to confirm that all the links above are valid. As it is false the news that this is not available in WorldCat. I'm attaching the link of ["WorldCat"] for the Scientific Journal where the personage is Editor in Chief, where referring to ["DOAJ"] this journal is free of charge in full open access. In case that someone else of those asking for delete thinks that the ["Ministries of Italy"], invite an Albanian to introduce the works of an Italian sociologist, one of the most well known in Europe, it can never be a vanity. When EdwardX wrote an article about some vanity prizes, I agreed with him. But i have my considerable doubts that this can be the such a case, considering the fact that in Albania, the average annual salary is some times smaller than the pretended payment for vanity. He placed a note to all personages who cited this prize, and in this case from the history I learned that he deleted even the links. And when the Albanian editors replace the links as valid, he proposed it for delete. The bad taste of gender and small countries discrimination is prevailing in Wikipedia and this is not fair. As it is not a sign of fairness that in this case is not being listened the opinion of readers or Albanian editors of wiki such as Liridon, but is being very aggressively introduced only one line of opinion of some editors. And this harms the Wikipedia balancing and all them who get informed by Wikipedia. I propose to EdwardX, the one who opened the discussion for Delete to improve the article and make it stay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.22.50.248 (talk) 16:43, 13 August 2017 (UTC) — 31.22.50.248 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Stay Promotional?! Vanity article?! Not at all. It only describes the personage, a highly internationalized one, with all notability data in Wikipedia, with no any fake citation, multi - prized in her country and region with Honorary Citizenship awarded by a popular vote, but according to someone here received also a vanity prize, and for this reason, according to the Biblical theory must be crucified and deleted. Guys, please be serious. A minister and parliamentary is not a notable person according to you. I gave a look to the Albanian notable person pages in wiki, for sure she is more notable among them. Someone mentions citations in ["Google Scholar"] and says that she is a h4. It is too much for her 43 citations, considering also a small country as Albania with a lot of problems referring multi cultural and globalism issues. A call to the partisans of Delete: fix it, say delete is the easiest thing in the world. it is pretty well known but please don't ask her to be the most well known, and the sense of measure makes the difference in this case. I don't think that the fact that the one who opened this page 10 years ago does not have experience and has not created other articles. Instead, he/she may have been discouraged but what we see here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.21.145.226 (talk) 17:06, 13 August 2017 (UTC) — 217.21.145.226 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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