Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aseefa Bhutto Zardari (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect to Bhutto family. Spartaz ^Humbug! 08:10, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This bio was last year deleted via AfD but re-created. The notability of the subject is very similar to that of Bakhtawar Bhutto Zardari - the latter is on the verge of deletion. The subject has not notability by its own, and sourcing is in passing and routine coverage, which means no in-depth coverage. The subject is not a elected politician thus fails WP:POLITICIAN and doesn't have a notable career either. Saqib (talk) 07:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: fails POLITICIAN. Quis separabit? 07:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Quis separabit?, I am really not getting how the article fails POLITICIAN when the article's topic is not a politician. Thanks Ominictionary (talk) 07:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ominictionary : "Rotary Ambassador and former UN Ambassador for Polio Eradication" are quasi diplomatic posts but diplomacy and diplomats and politics are inherently and inseparably linked. But, frankly, I wasn't aware of [[WP:DIPLOMAT]] (I never used it before) and was using the other. Thanks to you. Quis separabit? 07:35, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or Redirect: Before creating this article I had thought a lot about this article's notibility but after some research I thought that the article worths creating. She get notibility for her activism of Polio eradication. She has worked in United Nation also. There is a high possibility for her holding any goverment office which has been mentioned in the article with citation. So I think the article meets notibility and important to mention that this article is mostly based on secondary source and lastly, it doesn't matter the article meets WP:Politician or not because she is not a polititian but a health activist.Ominictionary (talk) 07:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First thing first, you didn't specify where to redirect this incase if it kept. Working for UN or any other top organisation doesn't makes one notable. Second thing, she doesn't hold any major public (or gov) office. --Saqib (talk) 07:46, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Saqib, Thanks for reminding me that I didn't mention about where it should redirected, maybe it could be redirected in Zardari family and secondly a question to you, is it necessary for a activist to hold a public office?? I am not getting why many are are treating her as politician when she is yet to be it??? She is an activist who has get signinificant coverage from secondary source and also has a possibility of holding a public office soon as genaral election in Pakistan is coming closer and I think she gets significent secondary coverage for her activism. So the article is worth to keep. Bests Ominictionary (talk) 08:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I cant see her getting significant coverage, as you claim. She is only getting passing mentions in news releases and no-indepth coverage. Her social activism career is not notable as of now. You said "high possibility of holding a public office soon as genaral election in Pakistan is coming closer ". So my answer would be when and If she in future hold a public office, she would get a bio, but WP:NotJustYet. Thank you. --Saqib (talk) 08:07, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Saqib, I have also some doubt about her career's notibility that is why I suggested Redirect also. But I think she has got significiant coverage. I do beleive that the article's most of the reference are significiant and not passing except ref 1, 2, 5. Plz check the article refernce properly. Most of this coverage she got in her own right and some of them are depth coverage too. You could hold ref 4 as example. Thanks Ominictionary (talk)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. ^{Babymissfortune} 07:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Health and fitness-related deletion discussions. ^{Babymissfortune} 07:36, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• delete positions are no where near enough to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Doesn't pass WP:POLITICIAN.  M A A Z   T A L K  12:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment:- I don't think it would be proper to delete this article right now, when it has been confirmed that she will participate in this year election.[1] It is hard to think that she will not win this election. As PPP has a strong hold in Sindhi and she also carry "Bhutto" name. So, there is a high possibility that she will soon hold a public office. Now, if we delete this article now, there is a possibility that we need to make this again. That's why I will suggest again not to delete this article.Ominictionary (talk) 16:39, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Are you serious? I don't think this is a valid reason to keep this article for the very reason Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Furthermore, general election are to be held in July 2018 - after half a year from now so no reason to hold this article and wait for her to win the election. In Fact there is no guarantee she will win. If and when she win, I assure you an article would be created in due time. Furthermore, please avoid repeating keep vote.--Saqib (talk) 16:47, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Saqib, I am completely serious about my word. For ur kind information I had made a comment with a reason which I beleive to be valid for keeping this article and hadn't voted. As far as I know there is a WP:PRESERVE policy in wikipedia. In which basees wikipedia hadn't deleted Barron Trump's article entirely instead give a redirect. I think same applies here too. Thanks. Ominictionary (talk) 19:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and then redirect it to Bhutto family. Störm (talk) 16:01, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Störm:, then you should vote for redirect rather than delete and also important to mention that she is a member of Zardari family as Pakistan is a patriarch country. Ominictionary (talk) 16:52, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.