Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Awmsawi

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The result was redirect‎ to Matupi Township. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:17, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Awmsawi

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PROD'd with the rationale: Could not find a single reliable source that mentions this placename. NGS Names Server doesn't even have it as a "populated place", their wastebasket taxon of geographic names. Searching the coords in Google shows what's maybe a few houses, but without any reliable sources, even a trivial legal recognition, we can't confirm the place meets GEOLAND.

De-PROD'd with the edit summary "deprod; appears to exist; WP:GEOLAND", which completely fails to take into account that I did address GEOLAND in my PROD rationale. "Appears to exist" based on what reliable sources? None, of course, were added. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Myanmar. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:10, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete due to failed verification. GMaps shows a village named "Butlang" at the given coordinates; maybe they are the same but without sources there's every reason not to believe this article. Mangoe (talk) 20:02, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GEOLAND. Clearly a recognised settlement. Has three churches, which is unlikely for "maybe a few houses". If you zoom out on the map you will clearly see a village labelled Awm Sawi north of Butlang. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:48, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Necrothesp, you say this is "Clearly a recognised settlement". Recognised by what government entity, as required by GEOLAND? What sourcing is this assertion based on? Google maps is not a reliable source. You have been on Wikipedia long enough to know that statements such as these ought to be backed up by referring to reliable sources, so please provide some or strike your comment. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I tend to use common sense. Extremely unpopular with some "rules"-obsessed editors, I know. How can a map that shows a village not be a reliable source? Are you saying Google Maps has put a village there that doesn't actually exist? Because otherwise, that's clearly a village! -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's great, but as you know, Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, not vibes. For all we know, that area is part of Butlang, the named place where its coordinates map to. For all we know, the location there isn't even called Awmsawi, perhaps it's called something else and Google has taken the placename from us in an act of citogenesis. We just don't know, and in the absence of reliable sources to verify the content, we shouldn't have an article. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Google only very recently removed the incorrect name it had for a town I grew up near (I ceased sending in reports about it about 15 years ago). The town is in an Anglophone country. I wouldn't trust anything it has to say about Burma without outside evidence. -- asilvering (talk) 03:18, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Meh. The article is one sentence with some coordinates. The coordinates clearly show an Awmsawi village with local buildings named Awmsawi. I don't know how to do a local search to prove this exists or to even find more information about it considering the non-English script. My hunch is it's eligible for an article but it's not easily proved. SportingFlyer T·C 00:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 04:57, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Matupi Township, where I've added info on Awmsawi being one of the Matupi villages designated "red" by the military according to this news article (though Google just translates it as "M." here). I also found the village (အမ်ဆွေး) in a government list of villages of Mutupi Township -- page 73, third table, third entry under the header (Google somehow translates it as "Am sorry"...). JoelleJay (talk) 19:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happily on board with a redirect, thank you for finding those. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:57, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as suggested, or to Chin State. There’s just not enough information to create a stub at this time. Bearian (talk) 16:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Awmsawi seems to also be referred by the name 'Amsoi B' (see GeoNames). Doing a search of this brings up a few things like this PDF which mentions this as a village and this other pdf which shows it on a map.

Additionally, I'm pretty sure that this article on the Burmese Wikipedia corresponds to Awmsawi judging by the co-ordinates. The article says that it was in a census, thus meeting WP:GEOLAND. 122.56.85.105 (talk) 22:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.