Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blue ribbon badge

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The result was keep.  Sandstein  21:58, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Not notable, no sources, unreferenced since 2008 Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 05:46, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:25, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:25, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• It is not unreferenced. References do not have to have contain a URL to be considered a reference. As a longtime editor, the nominator really should know this, by now. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:31, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Not notable enough for a standalone article. Per WP:REALPROBLEM, this could be a paragraph in the Temperance movement article where it could then be developed and spun out. We shouldn't keep this standalone stub. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:36, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Francis Murphy (no relation). Smmurphy^(Talk) 16:48, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and Rename to Blue Ribbon Movement. Under that name the movement has a good deal of coverage independent of Murphy, as E.M.Gregory points out. I've added a bit more to the article focused on the movement.Smmurphy^(Talk) 19:48, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• REdirect (or merge) to Francis Murphy (evangelist). I do not think there is anything worth merging. Absolute Surrender by Andrew Murray, was a notable work in its time and has been reprinted since, but WP policy does not encourage the inclusion of passing literary allusions. Such trivia used to go into "popular culture" sections of articles, but they were largely deleted many years ago. I therefore consider there is nothing worth merging. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:09, 13 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have been asked to reconsider my vote. It is possible the article has grown since I voted. I am still not quite sure. If kept it should certainly be renamed, as others have suggested. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:38, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• KEEP Those blue ribbons were a major big deal in the temperance marches, back in the day. Sources:

• Shiman, Lilian Lewis. “The Blue Ribbon Army: Gospel Temperance in England.” Historical Magazine of the Protestant Episcopal Church, vol. 50, no. 4, 1981, pp. 391–408. www.jstor.org/stable/42973859.
• "Given the dominant belief that economic success required temperance, the Blue Ribbon Movement appealed to many working- and lower-middle-class men who ..." Alcohol and Temperance in Modern History: An International Encyclopedia [1] Jack S. Blocker, ‎David M. Fahey, ‎Ian R. Tyrrell - 2003 - ‎History.
• "His belief was that such movements as Temperance So cieties, Bands of Hope, and notably the Blue Ribbon movement , had contributed to the..." “Medico-Parliamentary.” The British Medical Journal, vol. 2, no. 1177, 1883, pp. 146–147. www.jstor.org/stable/25263756.

• Lots more where those come from. Page should probably be moved to Blue ribbon (temperance) or Blue Ribbon Movement (temperance).E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:36, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• I added a sourced bit copied from Temperance movement in the United Kingdom ot the page, and put a couple of sources on the talk page, in addition to the ones I listed above. Page needs expand, source.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:53, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Kudos to User:Smmurphy for WP:HEY.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:04, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I came to this article because I read a short entry on the organization in a Norwegian encyclopedia and wanted to know more. The organization established a branch in Oslo, Norway is 1882, this branch later merged into Blue Cross which is still very much alive in Norway. A branch that was established in Sweden is still called Blue ribbon and fully operative. Both the Norwegian and Swedish branches are members of the International Blue Cross which seems to have been inspired by the American Blue Ribbon Badge. Iselilja (talk) 17:58, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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