Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bombshell (Marvel Comics)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Marvel Comics characters: B. Sourced content can be merged from history. There is consensus to not keep this article, but not consensus to either delete or merge, so redirect is a compromise that allows editors to work out what if any content is worth keeping. Sandstein 22:16, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I prodded it with the following rationale which is still relevant half a year later: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar." It was deprodded by User:Andrew Davidson with no rationale (despite the fact that I explicitly asked for one in the PROD). So let's discuss... can anyone see anything salvageable in this article (de facto a badly written disambig to several characters of that name, sigh)? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Covered in detail in sources such as Coming Soon and 500 Comicbook Villains. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:31, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Andrew Davidson, The first is a listicle plot summary which have been judged unreliable at RSN (discussion), and the second is the same but in print format. But, if you really have access to that book, please quote here any coverage of Bombshell that goes beyond a plot summary. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew - how are any of those two sources you presented reliable? - GizzyCatBella🍁 14:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - short paragraph blurbs in niche publications are hardly "covered in detail". Or perhaps if you can seriously cover something in detail in a paragraph, that shows how truly non-notable it is. Searches did not turn up anywhere near enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete there is a clear lack of the level of secondary coverage that would be needed to show notability. The comics themselves are primary, and Wikipedia is supposed to build on secondary not primary coverage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Andrew, or merge to List of Marvel Comics characters: B per WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. BOZ (talk) 13:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to the appropriate character list as an ATD. And for the thousandth time, nom, PRODs can be removed for any reason. Stop insisting people owe you a policy explanation. It's extremely evident that deletions like these will be controversial, so just cut out the middleman and take them to AFD. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 21:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PRODs of such low-quality topics are intended to save us time. There is nothing to merge here at all - GizzyCatBella🍁 01:07, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's enough for a short entry on the characters in an appropriate list article. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 01:17, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Death-Throws. Based on the existing article, the character never did anything noteworthy outside of this team, and she has an entry under the "members" section. Argento Surfer (talk) 18:03, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I also support this. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 15:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Andrew failed to answer my (mostly rhetorical nevertheless) question. Passing coverage in few low-quality sources fails to establish how this may pass WP:GNG - GizzyCatBella🍁 07:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In other words, were you basically baiting Andrew with your comment? Haleth (talk) 18:39, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not as much as you are trying to bait me here, I think - GizzyCatBella🍁 09:13, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - per John Pack Lambert. A clear lack of significant coverage in secondary sources. Most of the search results only provide bare mentions and I suppose you could twist my arm into a merge if someone wants to build a small sourced section first. But expanding the main article makes more sense, since there is nothing in the current article to merge. Jontesta (talk) 22:06, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment to the closing admin. I suggest SOFTDELETE by redirecting to List of Marvel Comics characters: B and copying the lead of the article there rather than a hard delete. I can copy the lead if I am pinged a redirect has been made and the lead is still visible in history for non-admins. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:55, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Marvel Comics characters: B per Boz. Death-Throws is not an ideal candidate as it isn't currently well cited with secondary sources and may face the possibility of deletion at AfD. I don't think SOFTDELETE applies per Wikipedia policy since there is no evidence of minimal participation in this discussion. The nominator has to account for the possibility of the article being deleted as per the majority consensus, or withdraw the AfD nomination if he changes his mind about calling for the article to be deleted and start a merge proposal instead. Haleth (talk) 13:25, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Let this page stay. Outside of the Earth-616 version, both Earth-1610 characters are supporting characters of Miles Morales. Where else will the latter versions have their information placed? Plus, I agree with the claims of @Andrew Davidson: and @BOZ:. --Rtkat3 (talk) 00:55, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to List of Marvel Comics characters: B per WP:ATD-M. No reason why a short, concise summary of the character shouldn't appear there, given some sourcing does exist. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:59, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.