Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bureau of Fire Protection Region VIII

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The result was merge to Bureau of Fire Protection. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:04, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bureau of Fire Protection Region VIII

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Local fire department--no particular notability. DGG ( talk ) 22:20, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. — JJMC89 (T·E·C) 02:50, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. — JJMC89 (T·E·C) 02:50, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Bureau of Fire Protection. Just a region of a larger organisation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:41, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The government agency is notable given that it serves an entire region of more than 4million residents. The fire bureau was most notably involved in the Typhoon Haiyan disaster response and retrieval operations, for which some of their firefighters lost their lives 1, 2 3, the Samar forest fire and even non-fire emergencies in the region. 4 5.--RioHondo (talk) 05:48, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The point is it's not a government agency. The government agency is clearly notable. It's merely a territorial division of a government agency. It doesn't need its own article. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:44, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Per WP:ONELOC: "Agencies of municipal or other small governments (other than national) are very frequently notable if it is customary for that type of agency to have an article. (Examples are) police and fire departments, mass transit providers, schools, and libraries." Ergo this, being a regional fire department supported by the above sources, meets WP:GNG especially since we also have articles on other regional/smaller government departments under Category:Fire departments of the Philippines.--RioHondo (talk) 14:33, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - I don't think you quite understand what I mean. It's not an independent agency. It's a division of an agency. Many agencies throughout the world are divided into regional divisions, but we don't generally have an article on each of them. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:29, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Necrothesp. If this were an actual agency or even a district, then it could have its own article, but instead it's a mere division. By that logic, we should have articles on every division of every Philippine government agency such as the National Bureau of Investigation or the Bureau of Internal Revenue. Note that, unlike in some countries such as the United States, the Philippines' police and fire forces are centralized at the national and not the local level (i.e. the Philippine National Police and the Bureau of Fire Protection), so there is (as far as I know) no individual police or fire departments for each city, municipality, or province. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:03, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - the bottom line is whether there is sufficient material to support a standalone page. It looks as though there isn't so a merge is the way to go. Adding information on each of the divisions will enhance the main page and convert the 'Organization' section from bring a laundry list. Just Chilling (talk) 20:49, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- A look at those RS I posted says there is though. Anyway there are only 18 regions in the Philippines and national government services like fire, police, health, etc are provided per region, headquartered per regional center, and manned by regional staff. This isn't merely a division of the agency in the national capital. As per the Local Government Code of the Philippines, there are basic government services provided at the local level such as this. In the same way, each region has its own regional police office such as the NCRPO similar to the Armed Forces of the Philippines having Category:Regional commands of the Philippines.--RioHondo (talk) 00:48, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Necrothesp. Just Chilling's commentary hits to the core of the issue. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:26, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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