Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Case knife (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. As a disambiguation page. Sandstein 13:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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No references at all. Appears to just be another name for a table knife. Nathanielcwm (talk) 04:53, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Nathanielcwm (talk) 04:53, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to table knife. Literally just an alternative name for table knife, no separate article justified. Waddles 🗩 🖉 05:11, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to W. R. Case & Sons Cutlery Co.. In depth internet source searches are providing nothing online in reliable sources about the notion of a case knife being "a knife that was sold in a case, as part of a set of utensils intended for use in dining". However, sources exist about case knives in reference to pocketknives produced by the W. R. Case & Sons Cutlery Co. Some source examples include:

• Collecting Case Knives. Krause Publications. 2015. 304 pages.
• Official Price Guide to Collector Knives. Random House Information Group. 2008. pp. 175–183.

–Quote from p. 180: "The collector who specializes in knives made by W. R. Case & sons or other Case-related companies will be pleased with the extensive listing that follows."

As such, this comes across as the most accurate redirect target. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect per NorthAmerican; their arguments for Case & Sons is convincing. I wouldn't object too heavily to table knife if the consensus moves that way, however. BilledMammal (talk) 02:23, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, but change to a disambiguation page, linking to Sheath knife, W. R. Case & Sons Cutlery Co., and Table knife. I looked into it further, and it seems that the use of the phrase is ambiguous; for instance, Merriam Webster considers it to mean either a sheath knife or a table knife, while Collins refers to it solely as a sheath knife. Incidentally, I am not certain of the "correct" !vote when believing that disambiguation is the correct option, and any comments clarifying, either as a response to this or on my talk page would be welcome. BilledMammal (talk) 02:42, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The long and confusing history of the term warrants detailed explanation. The original usage goes back to the 17th century and was not just a table knife as such knives might be used for hunting too. The knives manufactured by W. R. Case are more recent, as that business started in 1889. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:19, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and disambig: per BilledMammal. A very good suggestion. A pure keep is out of the question in my opinion, per WP:NOTDICT. Curbon7 (talk) 02:03, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep & Disambiguate - The term is a valid search term, and as explained above, the fact that it can be used to refer to several different types of knives means that a simple Redirect to one of those would not be useful. Creating a disambiguation page linking to the various knives that have been referred to as a Case knife according to sources would be a much better way to direct readers. Rorshacma (talk) 15:28, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Clearly there is some disambiguation that needs to happen here at a minimum per BilledMammal. It's possible we could find sources to write a valid history explaining different uses of the word per Andrew Davidson. We'll let article contributors sort out the details between those two options as they locate RS for article improvement in the future.4meter4 (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.