Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chargers–Rams rivalry (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ✗plicit 00:06, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chargers–Rams rivalry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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The article is on a non-existent rivalry that has only comprised 13 total games, with only two games as Los Angeles-based teams. Sources do not support the existence of a true rivalry and thus fails WP:GNG. Very little has changed since the article was moved to draft space in March 2022. Article declined at WP:AFC twice, most recently in January 2023. Requesting article be moved back to draft space or deleted. and requesting protection against recreation on the mainspace page. Frank Anchor 13:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: American football and California. Frank Anchor 13:42, 24 March 2023 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. There might be something notable here if someone wanted to really dig in and develop it. The series began with a preseason rivalry in the late 60s, early 70s that drew some real coverage as a rivalry. See, e.g., 1967, 1968, 1969 (President Nixon attended, largest crowd to watch a football game in San Diego), 1970, 1970. It also received sigcov when the Chargers returned to LA (they started there) for a regular-season match with the rams in 1970. See here. Cbl62 (talk) 14:40, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment the last time we had a discussion on this same topic, the result was to draftify. Of those comments, I don't see anyone taking a keep position last time. I'm not seeing any compelling reason to overturn or move from draft to mainspace, but there does appear to be some sourcing and effort put in by an enthusiastic editor. It appears to be a good faith effort, so I don't mind reviewing.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:43, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Upon further reflection, I think this one should be deleted. Any valuable content can be merged in to other articles easily and there's not really any coverage that this would be a rivalry significant enough for inclusion here. My position here is based more on editing preference because we've found over time that rivaly articles generally don't work out to our advantage as an encyclopedia (with a good number of exceptions of course!). Anyway, that's where my thinking takes me. I'd be open to changing my position if someone produces good coverage of this being a rivalry worthy of inclusion. I would not object to sending it back to draft if there's an enthusiastic editor that wants to work on it.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:37, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    eh after this season particularly had a few notable moments between the two teams, I reinforced the references and dug deep for anything else, to be fair; it holds more relevance than say the 49ers-raiders rivalry PontiacAurora (talk) 17:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: This isn't a "real" enough rivalry to warrant a standalone article. It's not typically referred to as a rivalry except in the context of competing for the fandom of LA. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete the sources in the article and those presented above do not pass GNG in terms of establishing the Chargers and Rams as rivals. They don’t mention a “rivalry” between the two teams at all or just have a passing mention of the term. I oppose re-draftifying. It is unlikely a rivalry will develop in the short-term as the teams will play either zero or one game over the next three seasons. This series could become a rivalry like the Jets and Giants, but that’s probably at least a decade away unless they meet in multiple Super Bowls. Carson Wentz (talk) 03:38, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Found this article about a Chargers–Rams rivalry saying it isn't really a rivalry... yet, but it talks about how a rivalry can be in the works. I do think a Chargers-Rams rivalry page CAN be made, but it would have to be in the very far future as the Chargers did recently move to Los Angeles recently while the Rams did have historical significance in Los Angeles before they moved to St. Louis back in 95. Swagging (talk) 21:05, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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