Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chinesa

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The result was redirect to List of coffee drinks. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 14:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:NOT#DICDEF. Local language term for coffee with milk. The Chinesa name is not dealt with in depth in reliable sources. Research throws up some travellers' blogs which mention that the term means Chinese girl, but there's little else. Non-notable. Unclear if it can be redirected to another article - apparently Latte is not a close match. Perhaps White coffee? SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 22:09, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - If it really is the local term in Madeira for a "meia de leite", it could be redirected to Galão where that drink is described. For an additional ref, see How to order a coffee in Portugal. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 17:27, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In our Latte article we have this sentence: "In English-speaking countries 'latte' is shorthand for "caffelatte" or "caffellatte" ("caffè e latte"), which is similar to the French café au lait, the Spanish café con leche, the Catalan cafè amb llet or the Portuguese galão." I'm wondering if we have a series of separate articles which are describing roughly the same thing: "coffee with milk". SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 23:16, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Our latte article defines a latte as a coffee "with steamed milk, with a layer of foamed milk approximately 12 mm (½ inch) thick on the top", and then compares it to a cappuccino: "the difference being that a cappuccino consists of espresso and steamed milk with a 20 mm (¾ inch) layer of thick milk foam". The difference between a latte and a cappuccino is 8mm of foam? And we have two separate articles to describe this? The latte article goes on to say: "A variant found in Australia and New Zealand similar to the latte is the flat white, which is served in a smaller ceramic cup with the micro-foamed milk. In the United States this beverage is sometimes referred to as a wet cappuccino." So we have chinesa, café au lait, café con leche, galão, latte, cappuccino, and flat white, all of which are describing "coffee with milk" - the exact differences between them apparently quite subtle and inconsistent depending on how the milk is heated, how much milk or coffee or the size of the cup it's served in. Apparently latte is normally served with foamed milk, except in Italy. I'm not getting from these articles the sense of an internationally recognised and consistent definition of a coffee with milk such that we can say with certainty what a chinesa can be compared to, or that it can indeed stand alone as a unique variation of coffee with milk. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 23:40, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There's also Caffè macchiato, Caffè Americano, Cortado, Wiener Melange, as well as white coffee. Many of these articles are little more than stubs with the connections between them haphazard, so the reader is not being informed of the relationships, similarities and differences between the various ways that coffee can be served with milk (cold, heated, steamed, foamed) and in what size or type of cup: large, small, ceramic, glass, with or without handle. I am wondering if we should be dealing with Coffee with milk in the same way we deal with coffee roasts - putting the varying roasts (or coffee with milk) together so they can be compared and analysed. Notable variations, such as latte and cappuccino, where there is enough material, can have their own stand alone articles, though be described in the parent article in WP:Summary style. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 23:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would add Garoto (coffee) to that list of stub articles. List of coffee beverages does in some cases usefully compare and contrast such elements as proportion of type of coffee to type of milk (scalded, steamed, etc.), but is not limited to coffee with milk. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 00:03, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That list is interesting, thanks for that. At the moment the list is not organised, so the relationships between the items on the list are not clear, such that we have under I and K: Iced coffee, Indian filter coffee, Instant coffee, Irish coffee, Kapeng barako, and Kopi susu. That's a fairly random and consequently unhelpful selection of items. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:52, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:52, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:52, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Wikipedia's not a dictionary. No substantial references. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:58, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of coffee drinks upon which nominator has been doing much good work. Support for the proposition that a chinesa is coffee with milk in Madeira can be found at [1] and [2]. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 23:18, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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