Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ching's Secret (4th nomination)

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The result was keep. This was filed as the 4th nomination. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ching's Secret (3rd nomination) does not exist. (non-admin closure) — Sam Sailor 03:33, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I honestly wish this had been relisted as I missed listing my comments analyzing the listed sources, the 1 article listed is again simply PR, none of it actually substantial and I myself had speedied this as G11 with DGG and I still consider this PR, none of this is actually convincing. SwisterTwister talk 21:13, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:13, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:13, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:13, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. started off highly promotional , was then reduced to a stub overbalanced by the one decently sourced iter available, a negative incident. There is no basis for either this article, a purely directory stub, or the article as submitted. DGG ( talk ) 02:37, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Mall, Damodar (2014). Supermarketwala: Secrets To Winning Consumer India. Haryana, India: Random House India (Random House). ISBN 8184006497. Retrieved 2016-08-08.

     The book notes:

  2. Dasgupta, Surajeet (2009-09-21). "Chinese, made in India". Business Standard. Archived from the original on 2016-08-08. Retrieved 2016-08-08.

     The article notes:

     The article includes criticism of the company:
  3. Chamikutty, Preethi (2010-06-23). "Instant noodles: Rivals turn the heat on Nestle's Maggi". The Economic Times. Archived from the original on 2016-08-08. Retrieved 2016-08-08.

     I found the author name from this article^WebCite.

     The article notes:

  4. Vijayaraghavan, Kala (2015-07-25). "Capital Foods' brand Chings's Secret exits noodles market". The Economic Times. Archived from the original on 2016-08-08. Retrieved 2016-08-08.

     The article notes:

  5. "Ching's Secret—Real Chow". India Business Insight. 1996-09-15. Archived from the original on 2016-08-08. Retrieved 2016-08-08.

     The article notes:

  6. The sources found by Vanamonde93 (talk · contribs) in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ching's Secret (2nd nomination).
  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Ching's Secret to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 05:24, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Vanamonde93 (talk · contribs) has cleaned up the article so that it is no longer promotional. Regarding concerns about the article's imperfections, Wikipedia:Editing policy# Wikipedia is a work in progress: perfection is not required and Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Surmountable problems. Cunard (talk) 05:24, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - All of those are either trivial coverage links consisting of either interviews, news about their clients and customers (who wants to know about that....aside from investors and future clients), and other PR-speak such as talking about what their products are; regardless of those having "criticism" and being news publications, that's still not any actual substance for convincing the substantial improvements (to the levels of both a non-advert article but also a still substantially convincing article). SwisterTwister talk 06:15, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• The Random House–published book Supermarketwala: Secrets To Winning Consumer India is not "trivial coverage links consisting of either interviews, news about their clients and customers" or "other PR-speak". Nor are the other sources. Cunard (talk) 06:22, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Ching’s is also targeted at people in the age group of 18-25 (as against Maggi’s target group of children only) who prefer spicy flavours and look at noodles as a full meal rather than just a snack....It was also felt that Ching’s needs to leverage the Chinese connection and one way to do that was through packaging. So the colour coding and the graphics were essentially meant to symbolize this" is only something a PR agent would care to add. The articles are essentially still about the company talking about itself like this and that's not substance. SwisterTwister talk 06:30, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Material about the company's marketing practices does not invalidate the Business Standard article from establishing notability. It is valid, acceptable journalism to include discussion about a company's marketing practices in an article about the company.

And the several pages of coverage about Ching's Secret in the Random House–published book Supermarketwala: Secrets To Winning Consumer India book make it a very strong source.

Cunard (talk) 06:05, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep: Some of these sources aren't trivial, some are substantive, and some aren't promotional. I don't feel strongly about it, but I'd like to give Cunard's argument the benefit of the doubt. Nha Trang ^Allons! 16:52, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep – from sources I was able to access above and the quotations, seems to weakly meet WP:GNG. AGF about the sources I was unable to access. Here's another source from Aurora, a Pakistani "advertising, marketing and media magazine" that is published bi-monthly (more info). I wonder if more Middle-Eastern sources are available that I cannot access. Perhaps this could be someday merged to Capital Foods, for which I have found several sources that could be used to create an article. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:49, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep The coverage is not great, but I believe there is just about enough to meet GNG. I previously cleaned this up so that it is no longer promotional. The fact that much of the coverage is negative is surely not a reason to delete: a corporation is not a living person, and if they are notable for failing a quality test, well that's not our problem. Also, I'm curious as to why this is listed as the 4th nomination, but only three are linked above...Vanamonde (talk) 08:21, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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