Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colts–Jaguars rivalry (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:53, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Colts–Jaguars rivalry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Subject does not appear to have coverage from sources discussing a rivalry, and as such WP:NRIVALRY is not met. Article was recreated after being deleted in a earlier deletion discussion and while this version has more sourcing, it still does not have sources to meet the notability guidelines. Let'srun (talk) 22:55, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports, American football, Florida, and Indiana. Let'srun (talk) 22:55, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• weak Delete No sources seem to cover the rivalry in-depth. The sheer number of routine coverage articles seems like a WP:REFBOMB, so it's difficult to say for sure whether all 100+ sources have no significant coverage. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 23:28, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Clear pass of WP:NRIVALRY from my perspective. As much as I've supported getting rid of a number of rivalry articles, I can't fathom deleting one about two division rivals who have played each other twice a year for 23 years. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:42, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:NRIVALRY requires GNG level coverage discussing the rivalry in-depth. Which sources do you thing cover this series as a rivalry? Let'srun (talk) 00:32, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm not an expert on NFL rivalries, but a quick search in Newspapers.com reveals many sources discussing the pairing as a rivalry. E.g., (1) "Colts, Jaguars renew rivalry", (2) "Colts-Jaguars South rivalry getting intense" (part 1/part 2), (3) "Rivalry has evolved quickly", (4) "this series has emerged as the division's best rivalry", (5) "Young rivalry gets stirred up", (6) "Colts' 'rivalry' fires up Jags" - early article discussing factors (part 1/part 2), (7) "There's no love lost: Plenty of bad blood between rivals Colts, Jaguars". Why doesn't such extensive coverage reporting on the rivalry show that there is or was a rivalry? Cbl62 (talk) 01:56, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Personally, I think that most of these pieces are merely WP:ROUTINE game previews where the term 'rivalry' is used as a buzzword by journalists to try and get more people to read their paper, and do not cover the history of the purported 'rivalry' in-depth as needed to meet the guidelines. Let'srun (talk) 20:44, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Cbl62's sources. WP:NRIVALRY is one sentence deep and really shouldn't be used as the crutch for rivalry articles anyways. This would be a better way of calling it what it is User:Conyo14/Sports rivalries. Conyo14 (talk) 05:43, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - this is more of divisional opponents rather than rivalry, since the two have had different eras of success, I wouldn't say it's a fierce rivalry, but I wouldn't say it's worthy of it's own page.

I'd say a similar thing about the Jaguars-Texans rivalry. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 21:00, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, the sources presented by Cbl62 appear to be sufficient to satisfy WP:GNG. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:09, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Which sources do you think provide WP:SIGCOV of the rivalry itself, beyond WP:ROUTINE game coverage/previews? Let'srun (talk) 21:12, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there is no consensus here yet. A source review would br helpful. One thing I've seen over the years is that WP:ROUTINE is in the eye of the beholder.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:00, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Some further notes on a couple of the sources cited above:

Source (3) is a three-column feature story from a highly reputable source (the Associated Press) expressly focused on the rivalry published under the headline "Rivalry has evolved quickly." It traces the history of "a trash-talking atmosphere", the recent history of past games, the "geeked up" approach of the players to facing each other, and concludes in no uncertain terms that "this series has emerged as the division's best rivalry."

Source (7) reviews the rivalry's 17-game history, the close finish in 13 of the 17 games, the "brutally competitive" nature of the games, the history of trash-talking including Colts referring to Jax as "our little brother", and a focus on the "bad blood" between the rivals ("They don't like us. We don't like them.")

Cbl62 (talk) 02:16, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the sources provided by Cb162. Senior Captain Thrawn (talk) 02:58, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Haven't voted previously. After weighing everything, this seems like a keeper. Cbl62 (talk) 15:46, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: The Colts and Jaguars have been division rivals since 2002, playing each other twice every season. Multiple articles, like the Associated Press piece titled "Rivalry has evolved quickly," discuss the history and intensity of their matchups. This coverage goes beyond routine game reports and meets the criteria for significant coverage. Per WP:NRIVALRY, rivalries with such consistent and notable coverage warrant their own articles. Unclasp4940 (talk) 02:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I am surprised to learn that this is a notable rivalry, but the sources provided indicate that it is. Rlendog (talk) 13:31, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per references presented by Cbl62, which establish notability as a rivalry. Frank Anchor 12:54, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Articles on sports rivalries, such as Yankees–Red Sox rivalry, should satisfy the general notability guideline.- that what WP:NRIVALRY indicates. I see good reliable sourcing, and the provided one by the fellow above. So, this rivalry meets GNG. Cinder painter (talk) 13:24, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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