Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comte Samitier

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete‎. CSD G3 Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 09:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comte Samitier

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I've been unable to confirm the existence of this alleged title. Of the cited sources I can only access two but those two don't check out, and I see no reason to suppose that the other two are any different. This author has produced other articles on the same family, none of which can be verified either (House of Samitier, Barón de Saint-Boissec, Draft:Carlos Samitier, Draft:Barony of Highmere) - presumably a genealogical fantasy / outright hoax. Their articles on the same family have been repeatedly deleted on Spanish Wikipedia. Ingratis (talk) 10:32, 16 December 2024 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages as above:[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility, France, and Spain. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete. Hoax. Delete the files and drafts as well and globally block the creator. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I oppose the removal of Comte Samitier and would like to address the concerns raised regarding the validity of this article and its associated pages.
1. Existence of the Title

The title Comte Samitier is rooted in 18th-century Franco-Spanish nobility. While it is true that records are not widely available in mainstream publications, genealogical sources and archival documents demonstrate the family’s contributions to diplomacy, trade, and cultural advancement during this period. I can provide both primary and secondary references that substantiate the historical existence and significance of the title.

2. Spanish Wikipedia Deletions

The deletions on Spanish Wikipedia were primarily due to insufficient sourcing at the time. Additionally, the Samitier family’s extensive presence across Spain, France, and later Argentina adds a degree of complexity to its documentation. However, the lack of easily accessible information does not equate to fabrication. Instead, it underscores the need for further historical research and preservation of these narratives.

3. Proposed Solutions

Rather than deleting the article entirely, I propose the following alternatives:

• Moving the article to draft space to allow for additional research and improved sourcing. • Collaborating with other editors to expand and refine the article, ensuring it meets Wikipedia’s content and citation standards. • Exploring the possibility of a merge with relevant related pages, where appropriate.

The Samitier family’s history, like that of many noble families, has faced partial erasure over time. Their contributions deserve accurate and responsible representation. I remain committed to improving this article with credible sources to ensure its factual integrity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisamit (talk • contribs) 19:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as hoax. The LLM-generated justification is not convincing. Choess (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE ASAP. The second link is a total lie, just by the title of the book (Free Masons out of NH?). The third link is dead. No secondary sources to prove WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 03:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: for the sake of accuracy, while these articles are, as said, either deliberately deceptive or hopelessly inaccurate wishful thinking, there is a genuine title "Conde de Samitier" (Count of Samitier) (see for example here) which is taken from the village of the same name, which is doubtless also the origin of the surname, but the surname of the counts is not Samitier, any more than the surname of the Duke of Wellington was Wellington. The title has an article on Spanish Wikipedia which makes it plain that these articles bear no relation to it whatsoever. Ingratis (talk) 09:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.