Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DVDVideoSoft (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Free Studio. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:12, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DVDVideoSoft

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Fails WP:NCORP just like the last time it was deleted. wumbolo ^^^ 12:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 13:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 13:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 13:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Free Studio

I am also nominating the following related pages because had prod but is a related article and merge candidate:

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Djm-leighpark (talk) 00:07, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As nominator of this AfD, I support deleting the other article, since I'm the one who PRODded it. wumbolo ^^^ 09:45, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~Comment DVDVideoSoft and merge 'Free Studio'. We are actually interested in the software and Google Books and Google Scholar full a number of results, albeit a lot of false results (Religious books for me) and a lot of little more than passing mentions in how it has been used. It's implausible there are not offline reviews of this. Probably needs to be under WP:NSOFTWARE rather than WP:NCORP so perhaps Free Studio should stand as the main article. I am minded WP:BEFORE may not have been adequate.Djm-leighpark (talk) 12:35, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What's inadequate is WP:NSOFTWARE, which is only an essay on notability, so the notability of software is under WP:GNG and WP:NPRODUCT. wumbolo ^^^ 13:10, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've done a little with the referencing/cites/recoveries which now spans about 10 years and remain believed there is sufficient for keep as a merged article about the software product (bundle). Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:45, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:00, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Free Studio (and Keep Free Studio - several sources, passes GNG) as notability comes from the software - the software looks notable, the company doesn't based on current sources. Saying that, if more sources are out there ping me. Widefox; talk 13:58, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I agree that the software appears notable but the article on the company fails WP:NCORP. Merge to Free Studio. HighKing⁺⁺14:42, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Due to controversies on a set of articles of which this is one can I respectively suggest admins only close this and a full 168 hours is allowed before relist and non-admins carefully consider before re-listing. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 00:24, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:34, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DVDVideoSoft should be merged to Free Studio as Free Studio is notable per WP:NSOFTWARE. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 15:43, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
NSOFTWARE is an essay so is not enough for notability. (only in edge cases) wumbolo ^^^ 15:46, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I find it hard that either would be deleted or both. If WP:NSOFTWARE is inaccurate then what is our guideline? A ten years old software with coverage in multiple reliable sources should continue having stand alone article. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 15:50, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Our guidelines are both WP:GNG and WP:NPRODUCT. wumbolo ^^^ 15:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This discussion is tainted by the ANI. I'm not inclined to vote while that is so recent. Szzuk (talk) 08:29, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Szzuk, No ANI has been mentioned in this discussion to this point until you have brought it up, and you have not identified the particular ANI in question. And that ANI, if it is the one I am thinking of, was in my option raised due the the disruption fallout from PRODs and AfDs. Now in my opinion there is no plausible outcome from this discussion up to this point apart from a merge to 'Free Studio', and to some degree I have implicitly given a commitment to attempt a good faith merge (unless someone else volunteers and does it right) should merge be the final outcome. From my point of view the sooner that is done, dusted and cleared the less disruption it is to me and likely Wikipedia in general. At the risk of tainting HighKing (if I recall rightly, and I may not, I think we have on occasion voted differently at AfDs and maybe have connected on some Ireland related articles), I in good faith believe him to be independent and not tainted by the ANI or other associated fracious AfD discussions in this set, and suggest closer notes this. From my point of view I would prefer a WP:BOLD closer decision on this rather than a relist due to upcoming effort required in the merge. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per User:Widefox. Modernponderer (talk) 14:39, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.