Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DWL Architects

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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination. (non-admin closure) Linguist111 (talk) 03:00, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:CORP, CORPDEPTH. Really nothing special about this company that does typical architectural firm stuff in Arizona. There are many, many coverages to the Arizona Republic cited in this article. However, they are basically factual verification of involvement in the various projects listed out. Notability is NOT inherited. So companies that designed and built buildings that are not notable for any reason other than for the work of the architectural firm does not count towards the firm's notability. Graywalls (talk) 15:12, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture, Companies, and Arizona. Graywalls (talk) 15:12, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. This is a major firm. I quickly found this article covering their expansion to Ohio. The Burton Barr Phoenix Central Library that they designed received the AIA 25-year award. Likely more, under current and former names (Weaver & Drover, Drover, Welch & Lindlan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MB (talk • contribs)

Comment the first source clearly fails the independent secondary criteria. It is written around the company's press release and it's essentially churnalism. It is full of "said Steve Rao, DWL President." type contents, which makes it a dependent source. Significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable, secondary sources are required in depth. If they're in the same paper or by the same journalist, that would be considered one. And the second one seems to be a narrow focus magazine specific to architectural stuff; and being in one of annual awards makes it rather routine. It is one of plethora of awards given out by AIA annually. So it's nothing special like a Nobel Prize or even a Pulitzer. Graywalls (talk) 02:28, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - my search for sources has so far found: DWL Celebrates Seven Decades of Design (bylined to DWL Architects + Planners, Greater Phoenix InBusiness, 2019), DWL Celebrates Seven Decades of Design (no byline but the same text, Airport Improvement, 2019), DWL Celebrates Seven Decades of Design (no byline, same text, Aviation Pros, 2019). As to the Dec. 16, 2019 AZBigMedia source cited above, the same text appears at the website of the company in a post dated Dec. 16, 2019: DWL Establishes Regional Office, Ohio, so this is an example of dependent coverage per WP:ORGIND, and also provides insufficient WP:CORPDEPTH to support notability because an announcement of anexpansion [...] of the business is an example of trivial coverage. Beccaynr (talk) 18:13, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - on GBooks, I found namechecks/brief mentions of their collaboration with Will Bruder Architects on the Burton Barr Phoenix Central Library, e.g. [1] at 22, [2] at 156-157, [3] at 146, [4], but these sources are not significant coverage of the company itself as described in WP:NCORP. Similarly, there is verification of their collaboration with BOORA on a Dynamic Thermal Wind Wall at the Mesa Arts Center [5] at 184. I also found a brief blog post about a Weaver & Drover design. Beccaynr (talk) 20:04, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - In the article, the coffee table book Midcentury Marvels: Commercial Architecture of Phoenix 1945 to 1975 is cited 3 times, but I am not able to access the book to confirm the depth, although reviews, e.g. [6], [7], do not highlight DWL. Other sources from my search include a brief mention of Weaver & Drover [8] at 1326 with regard to shade canopies in a parking area, a brief mention of collaboration for Sky Harbor [9], a brief overview of history as the firm changed from Weaver & Drover to Drover Welch & Lindlan to DWL [10] ("one of the most sophisticated, energetic design firms in the Southwest today"), a mention of collaboration on the Dorris-Heyman Building [11], a quote from a founder about the "sophisticated, energetic design firm" [12], but I have not found multiple sources per WP:SIRS that are significant, independent, reliable, and secondary coverage of the company. Beccaynr (talk) 20:55, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 20:59, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:12, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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