Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darul Huda Islamic University (3rd nomination)

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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 08:59, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Darul Huda Islamic University (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Non-notable Islamic seminary based on Chemmad, led by Bahauddeen Muhammed Nadwi. Doesn't touch WP:GNG. The seminary doesn't seem to be a degree-awarding university, it appears to provide a high school education, including "secondary" and "senior secondary", according to their website. But the seminary does not follow the Kerala State Education Board or CBSE or CISCE the 3 main boards in Kerala but follows Islamic religious curriculum not sure if it is a recognised school and hence it cannot be presumed to be notable. MalayaliWoman (talk) 09:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC) striking confirmed blocked sockpuppet, Atlantic306 (talk) 14:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 09:15, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 09:15, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:45, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 14:20, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Hi, Admins I would like add the article Darunnajath Islamic Complex to here, I think that also a linked seminary. MalayaliWoman (talk) 13:57, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Should be keep Because Darul Huda Islamic University is an accredited university.Nadwi Kooriyad (talk) 17:41, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. MalayaliWoman (talk) 14:35, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, there are multiple English-language sources, including international ones, that mention and discuss DHIU. I strongly suspect that local sources (in Malayalam) also exist, but I lack the language skills to look for them. University "accredition" is dubious (and not mentioned on the website Nadwi Kooriyad linked to above) since it doesn't award any university-level degrees but relies on its students to get those from an open university, but it does seem to operate as a high school. Huon (talk) 11:28, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The seminary does not follow the Kerala State Education Board or CBSE or Council for the Indian School Certificate Examinations the 3 main boards in Kerala but follows Islamic religious curriculum not sure if it is recognised school and hence it cannot be presumed to be notable.MalayaliWoman (talk) 20:33, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - MalayaliWoman, I am aware that someone said so in the previous deletion discussion, but what's the evidence that they don't follow the Kerala State Education Board or CBSE or Council for the Indian School Certificate Examinations? Are those the only boards in Kerala, and something not following them is not a high school? DHIU seems to require that its "university" students attend an open university, and I find it difficult to believe that a degree-granting university would accept people without a genuine high school diploma. That said, I disagree with the GNG assessment; the article cites quite a few reliable sources, I know that some additional ones, including more international media coverage, exist but aren't particularly helpful, and that's not even touching Malayalam or Hindi sources which are also likely to exist. Huon (talk) 23:38, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per the sources analysis by @Huon:, also note the references referred to have been deleted with much else of the article by the edit warring nominator who has added unreferenced non-neutral assertions that are immediately contradicted by the first of the remaining references Atlantic306 (talk) 13:17, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I have reverted the page to a better-sourced version without the patently false claim of it being a "diploma mill". There seems to be quite a bit of sockpuppetry going on, on both sides. Huon (talk) 13:41, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per the sources analysis by @Huon: and previous deletion discussions. Csgir (talk) 05:36, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - sufficient sources available to meet WP:GNG. Just Chilling (talk) 16:03, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is not a legitimate argument for deletion discussions. I have examined the available sources, and it does not seem that the criteria of WP:SIGCOV under WP:NSCHOOL, WP:NORG and WP:GNG is met. Analysis: (i) the Saudi Gazette source is largely WP:PRIMARY, as large chunks of the article include the author quoting or paraphrasing the interviewee, and in that it is at most a second-party source, and therefore cannot be used for the purpose of establishing notability; (ii) the Hindu source reads like a press release/churnalism (see WP:PRIMARY), and it probably is one too; (iii) the DHIU source is WP:PRIMARY as well as it is from the school's website; (iv) the second article from Hindu is an obituary of an individual who served as the Pro-Chancellor of the institution, and does not give significant coverage to the institution; (v) the article in the New Indian Express is about a student magazine that makes a transitory reference to the institution. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 13:02, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep:Per Huon.Saff V. (talk) 10:01, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I actually nominated this for deletion back in 2013, for reasons I came to understand were mistaken. I've not seen anything change in the sense of the subject becoming less notable, and the fact that this was nominated by a sockpuppet raises the possibility of bad faith being involved here. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:43, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Strongly Keep Because the DHIU is an accredited Indian University. 2405:204:D40C:A27A:A491:23F6:6F08:E7B8 (talk) 05:14, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Meets WP:GNG as there is significant coverage by multiple independent reliable sources. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 08:42, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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