Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Democratic elements of Roman Republic

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete per Czar's rationale regarding potential draftify in future. Daniel (talk) 11:56, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Democratic elements of Roman Republic

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Article not written like encyclopedic entry (written more like an essay or magazine article WP:INDISCRIMINATE), requires fundamental rewrite to be encyclopedic. This is one of the few cases I would say "delete and start over". I suggest draftifying the article so that we can pick and choose details that might be worth keeping and determine what should be cleaned out. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 22:29, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Politics, and Europe. Skynxnex (talk) 23:25, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify, concur that the article is an unsalvegable mess that needs a WP:TNT and a retitling at the very least in order to bring it up to even the "slap fifty tags on it" stage. Devonian Wombat (talk) 09:23, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Probable delete or draftify. Weird that this hasn't come up before—never seen this article, and it's been around since 2006! It certainly does read like an essay—although just a quick skim suggests that it's in serious need of editing just for flow and clarity—and has no sources cited for anything, in a topic that ought to be easily cited. And that title—how can an article this size go for over a decade without anyone noticing that it needs an article ("the") in the title in order not to stick out like a sore thumb? This has to be one of the strangest attempts at an article I've ever seen on Wikipedia, simply because it's survived since 2006 with all these issues—and apparently been edited regularly over that time!

That said, looking through the article's history, it was originally split off from another article, and while it reads like an essay and lacks any sources, all of this should be citable, and (just a quick skim) appears to be covering a valid topic. I would have thought this would be covered in other, existing articles, but I don't know whether it is. Aasim's suggestion of draftifying in order to salvage it, either as a stand-alone article or by merging its contents into other relevant articles, is appealing. Maybe there's nothing here that isn't covered elsewhere, but it would be a good idea to make sure. Is Aasim volunteering to have a look? P Aculeius (talk) 14:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If there's anything salvageable, integrate into History of democracy#The_Roman_Republic Jinian (talk) 18:53, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: WP:TNT. I was considering a redirect to Roman Republic#Constitutional system but there is nothing sourced to merge! And we shouldn't draftify an article unless users specifically intend to work on it. If anyone intends to work from this in the future (again not sure why they would with zero sources cited), the article can be restored to draftspace at that time. Any article on democracy in Rome should split from the parent article summary style. czar 23:52, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.