Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derek Chauvin protests

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. After two full weeks of debate, the only users recommending a "delete" outcome are the nominator and a user who made 30+ "delete" !votes very quickly all on the same day; the speed of these edits was so high that he cannot possibly have checked the sources. I give the second "delete" !vote zero weight. A close of "no consensus to delete" means that editors are free (and encouraged) to pursue the alternatives to deletion such as merging or renaming the article.—S Marshall T/C 15:48, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Derek Chauvin protests

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Not sure what this is about. It seems to be about the trial, not the protests. Most (if not all) the protests are covered by George Floyd protests. Looks a tad forkey. Slatersteven (talk) 16:46, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The events (specific protest, arrests, aftermath, etc.) are not covered in George Floyd protests. They they also have too much weight as they were in the former version of the George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul article, which is largely about events from May 26, 2020 to June 7, 2020. Protests in Minneapolis related to the Chauvin judicial proceedings are distinct from the initial wave of unrest over Floyd's death, and other racial injustice protests, and worthy of a focused article. Minnemeeples (talk) 16:52, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose what? If you do not want the article to be deleted, I suggest changing your vote to "keep". KidAd • SPEAK 17:10, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry! I am not well-versed in Wiki procedure. My recommendation is to Keep. Thanks for the discussion! Minnemeeples (talk) 15:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Trial of Derek Chauvin. Article title is certainly misleading. Are these protests in support of Derek Chauvin? Are they in response to his trial? If there is no consensus to redirect or delete, I suggest a rename to Reactions to the trial of Derek Chauvin or something similar. KidAd • SPEAK 17:09, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I assumed when I came here that is what the page was about, protests in support of him, as any others so would have been part of the George Floyd protests. It now seems its even narrower and is about George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul. Covered in Derek Chauvin protests by 4 paragraphs, so I fail to see why this is too large to be in the main article.Slatersteven (talk) 17:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. The title is misleading. Any relevant content can be merged to George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul and/or Trial of Derek Chauvin. A redirect may not be the best choice. KidAd • SPEAK 18:13, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am unsure a redirect would work, as it could be about at least two pages, the title is just to vague.Slatersteven (talk) 18:24, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:50, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Minnesota-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:50, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but with lots of hat notes to the related articles, as this is a sub-article of the Trial of Derek Chauvin, which already has a section about the protests and that article is already a sub-article about Derek Chauvin. This is also a parallel article to George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul. The article might benefit from renaming to something like Protests at the trial of Derek Chauvin to make it clearer that this article is not about protests associated with the death of George Floyd, before Derek Chauvin went on trial. I think merging this article with another is likely to place undue weight and add excessive detail about the protests in an article that is meant to be about the trial, rather than the protests about the trial. In many respects this article is about separate contemporaneous public events outside the courtroom, so should not really clutter up the trial article. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 08:17, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would support a keep, but rename option. The article about George Floyd protests in Minneapolis-Saint Paul is largely about events from May 26, 2020 (the day protests started), to June 7, 2020 (when the Minnesota government mobilization to the unrest initially ended). Protests during judicial proceedings and trial of Derek Chauvin were distinct from the initial reaction to Floyd's murder as they were about specific developments in Chauvin's cause (release on bail, beginning of trial, etc.), largely held near the Hennepin County Government Center building (includes the court facility) in downtown Minneapolis, and had a totally separate government mobilization effort ("Operations Safety Net"), had a separate wave of arrests, etc. Minnemeeples (talk) 15:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're the article creator. Can't you rename it yourself? Love of Corey (talk) 20:33, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. I'll do that, if that's what's recommended. Minnemeeples (talk) 22:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect - this one is WP:FORK visible from ISS Keep ~~but rename~~ - re-checked - contains too many usefull information that aren't covered in other articles on the case, so I am changing my mind on this - still, in case delete-redirect is decided, any relevant content should be merged into other articles ~~- choose the one that is more appropriate, and then redirect it ther~~e.--౪ Santa ౪^99° 23:37, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Minnemeeples's and Cameron Dewe's comments. Waddles 🗩 🖉 05:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect or keep but rename - I'm not too informed on this part of the George Floyd case to really nail the long-term notability of these protests, so I'm a bit neutral to the outcome of this AfD. Nevertheless, if this article is to be kept, a rename is in order, because the title, when juxtaposed with the similarly-titled George Floyd protests, implies these are protests in support of Chauvin, rather than against him, which is rather misleading. Love of Corey (talk) 06:26, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: article has been moved to Protests regarding the trial of Derek Chauvin. • Gene93k (talk) 00:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A more appropriate title, if you ask me. Love of Corey (talk) 02:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Still wrong, as this is about one place, it was not the only place that had protests. It is misleading.Slatersteven (talk) 10:16, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Slatersteven, since there clearly isn't a consensus to delete, perhaps you can take your concerns to the article's talk page so efforts to improve the article are discussed there? Minnemeeples (talk) 19:53, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Uhhh...nowhere in the title does it point to a specific location(s) as being the focus of the article. Love of Corey (talk) 02:45, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. The article was moved to Protests in Minneapolis regarding the trial of Derek Chauvin. Minnemeeples (talk) 16:01, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per other keep ! votes and WP:hey. There are less notable articles Linked at template related to George Flyod. This one is too notable to be delted and written based on quite reliable Sources. Dawid2009 (talk) 06:24, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Page has been moved for the third time during this AfD debate. It is now at Protests in Minneapolis regarding the trial of Derek Chauvin. Please stop moving the page around until the debate is settled. • Gene93k (talk) 20:18, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, but strongly suggest formal move discussion on talk page. This topic is notable, but there is no consensus on a nameJackattack1597 (talk) 23:29, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. These protests are noteworthy enough to be covered by Wikipedia. But I don't think an entire page is warranted since they haven't had quite as much impact or as much of an identity as the protests regarding Floyd's killing itself. Songwaters (talk) 20:37, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Rebuttal: The main article is already too long as is. George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul is at 139,134 bytes and 55,556 characters. It also primarily covers the course of events from May 26, 2020, to June 7, 2020. Protests during judicial proceedings and Chauvin's trial were distinct from the initial wave of unrest in Minneapolis, and were related directly to legal aspects of Chauvin's case, as opposed to being an immediate reaction to Floyd's murder. If the events are notable, lumping them into other articles makes for some very long articles. Minnemeeples (talk) 18:13, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:05, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Simply not notable at all. --RamotHacker (talk) 18:45, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The events in question are notable and they all clearly pass WP:SIGCOV. While some of the events in the article are unique to this page and deserve coverage, the nominator has raised a legitimate concern over some content overlap with WP:FORK issues. I concur with others that there are better processes to be used to sort this issue out. There really needs to be a discussion on the article's talk page about changing the name of the article to better delimit it's focus. I concur with Jackattack1597 that a formal move discussion would be appropriate. However, before starting that formal process I recommend using the talk page of the article to discuss how to better delimit the article before bringing a formal move proposal. There is a good article in here, it just needs better defining and trimming down of excess material covered elsewhere. The goal should be to establish context but without so much detail that it's a content fork of other articles. AFD is not the right venue to solve an essentially editorial issue.4meter4 (talk) 21:23, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.