Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Difference United

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Contested PROD. No improvement since Dec. 2013. The only claim to fame is that they have music that has played on the radio, but there is no support for charting success. Not a notable band per WP:MUSICBIO. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:35, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Difference United has a verified fan base which exceeds 96,000 according to their official Facebook page.www.facebook.com/differenceunited

The band is currently ranked #4 on the Nashville Pop charts according to Reverbnation.

The band is cited as having toured internationally, which is verified by international media outlets and videos viewable via page references such as YouTube.The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata): Party fever after freezing splash - From ice-cold dips to gigs, Shillong & Guwahati plan big for year's last night."Difference United Xian China". Youtube. Retrieved 31 March 2014."Difference United India Tour Video". YouTube. Retrieved 31 March 2014."Difference United Chinese Television Promotion". YouTube. Retrieved 31 March 2014.

The band has gained national and international radio airplay of singles from both of its album releases as cited. Notability, while subjective, can clearly be measured in a tangible / verifiable way as it pertains to Difference United.http://www.crwradiopromotions.com/splay/differenceunited-iknow/

In reviewing Wikipedia notability guidelines for music it is clear that the following criteria pertaining to notability have been met as referenced above: "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.[note 4] Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.[note 5] Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network." Notability (music)

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 05:08, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 05:08, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I am not sure why this page is being considered for deletion. The criteria set forth in Wikipedia Notability Guidelines were raised upon the creation of the article and addressed at that time. "18:28, 24 April 2010‎ A little insignificant (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,856 bytes) (-11)‎ . . (does not meet speedy criteria- notability is established and referenced.) (undo | thank)" [1] The reference material cited in the article establishes clear notability as indicated in the previous points raised in support of keeping the article. I also found the following additional references to their international tours in local media:

Aizawl India Public Concert"Difference United in Aizawl". Misual.com. Retrieved 31 March 2014.

Shillong India Public Concert"Shillong.com". Shillong.com. Retrieved 31 March 2014.

Calcutta India Newspaper Article Regarding Public Performance of Difference United"Dream Again with US band - Nashville-based Difference United to perform over weekend". http://www.telegraphindia.com. Retrieved 31 March 2014. {{cite web}}: External link in |publisher= (help)

Difference United Romania Tour National Press Coverage"Difference Band Launches in Romania". curiernational.ro. Retrieved 31 March 2014."Cultural Information in the Press". http://www.agenda.ro. Retrieved 31 March 2014. {{cite web}}: External link in |publisher= (help) ~~Myreasonwhy~~

• Comment The reason the article is being nominated is that it clearly does not meet any of the notability guidelines. For bands they can be found at WP:BAND and in general, the information can be found at WP:GNG. Please restrict discussion to these notability guidelines or another related guideline.

"Nashville Pop charts according to Reverbnation" is not a national chart. See WP:GOODCHARTS to see accepted national charts. Similarly, "national and international radio airplay" is not the same as charting nationally.

A national tour would be something major, not church-to-church, small clubs and certainly not individual concert dates.

I also have serious concerns that users Musicnewsnashville and Myreasonwhy are both WP:SPAs and share the same editing style. I suspect that they may be socks. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:44, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment How many shows exactly would you consider to be something major? Of what size? Of what production quality? The concerts depicted in the video's referenced clearly show large crowds and major production elements including television crews. The international media outlets sourced outline multiple city tours not one off shows. Certainly for an act to have performed on three continents, to visibly large crowds, with corresponding radio airplay, and national print media coverage can be interpreted as noteworthy. I am also inserting a link to an press coverage album which contains multiple print newspaper articles not readily found online. [2] The press items are in the bottom album titled "Press".

In regards to your sock allegation and investigation notice referenced above I am not a prolific Wikipedia editor, as is obvious vis a vis my rudimentary editing skills. That said, I was brought into this discussion because of a deletion notice placed on my board as the creator of the original Difference United article and for no other reason. Myreasonwhy (talk) 21:47, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding of major would be filling large venues as the headline artist or a tour that brought the band into prominence in that country. Also, receiving non-trivial coverage in at least two important news sources discussing the tour. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One of the media outlets cited as a news source for the article is the Telegraph newspaper out of Calcutta India. This outlet is the second largest in the country of India as cited in the following Wikipedia article. It has a readership of 1.2 million + Here is an additional stories from The Telegraph mentioning the Difference United performances on one of the groups two India tours. Another cited source is the Curierul National which is a national Romanian newspaper distrubuted from the nations capital of Bucharest. In addition the press link provided above contains most of the major papers in the city of Shillong India as indicated by in the print media section. [3] The press items are in the bottom album titled "Press".

Myreasonwhy (talk) 01:26, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you understand the meaning of "fluff piece"? The article in The Telegraph, http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070330/asp/northeast/story_7581715.asp is not "non-trivial" and the concerts it describes, a series of free, open-air performances, certainly are trivial. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:51, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:17, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The chart they have charted on is not a major one like Billboard. The sources are all fluff pieces or unreliable content like Reverbnation or YouTube. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:46, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:04, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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