Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Double R Diner

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Black and White Lodges. and The Great Northern Hotel. XFDCloser doesn't make it possible to list more than one Merge target. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:04, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Taking this to AFD after a good faith reversion of my PROD. My reason was: Without user-generated sources, there isn't WP:SIGCOV for this topic. WP:BEFORE only revealed brief coverage that does not support a stand-alone Wikipedia article. Jontesta (talk) 00:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Jontesta (talk) 00:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep. Weak, as the article is in very poor shape, but my BEFORE suggests this could be savlaged. There is a real world restaurant history that's unreferenced, but there are some reviews/coverage (GNews suggests it may be possible, ex.[1]) . And there is some possible analysis of it as a fictional location in scholarly sources, ex. [2] "The 1950s Double R Diner epitomizes this warped experience of time and place, described as a “floating entity” by Piatti-Farnell, 14 but also reflects the necessary spectrality of the" or [3] "By contrast, the Double R Diner–arguably an icon of Twin Peaks–is explicitly involved in diegetic discussions of franchising in Parts 13 and 15". That said, I agree that right now the sourcing of the article is too poor to warrant anything but a redirect, but even that is problematic, as the article is not mentioned in Twin Peaks outside of a note in biographies of two characters who worked there, so I am not opposed to some SOFTDELETe if nobody can save this. Ping User:Daranios, who is pretty good and finding stuff - I didn't do a comprehensive BEFORE, but the 5 minutes I spent lends to believe this is not a lost cause.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and United States of America. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:22, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:37, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge with Black and White Lodges and The Great Northern Hotel under the title of Twin Peaks, Washington (currently a redirect to the show), the fictional setting of the entire show, of which all of these places are features. BD2412 T 00:46, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Piotrus: What do you think of this as a solution? BD2412 T 00:49, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @BD2412 If nobody improves this by editing, it is a reasonable solution, still superior to outright deletion which I don't endorse. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:07, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    • I guess we will see how the discussion as a whole turns out. BD2412 T 15:43, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Non-notable, no significant coverage, unlikely to be any significant coverage of this fictional location, real world sources will just be routine coverage of pop culture locations (eg the house from Breaking Bad, which got a lot of "person throws pizza on roof" articles but isn't notable). Macktheknifeau (talk) 03:18, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink and Companies. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:31, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or merge (see below) Daranios (talk) 11:30, 29 November 2022 (UTC) In addition to the sources already mentioned, Return to Twin Peaks has a four-page chapter dedicated to the diner, which flies in the face of a statement like "unlikely to be any significant coverage of this fictional location". Full of Secrets: Critical Approaches to Twin Peaks, p. 85-86, has a longish paragraph on the use of the Double R Diner's jukebox alone. Fan Phenomena: Twin Peaks has a paragraph of commentary + fan perceptions. And there are also many more short commentaries on this location, like [4], [5], [6], [7], etc. I also wonder if there's more than the short commentary I can see in the snippet in Heterotopian Horrors, as the title sounds promising. Does anyone have access to it? Daranios (talk) 12:11, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Daranios: All of this could be accomplished in the context of a larger Twin Peaks, Washington article, though. BD2412 T 15:44, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I would be equally fine with a proper merge as described by BD2412 if it helps to find a proper place for the relevant (as in discussed by secondary sources) locations of Twin Peaks on Wikipedia. Daranios (talk) 11:30, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • If the discussion is closed as merge, I will be happy to carry it out myself. BD2412 T 16:15, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Black and White Lodges and The Great Northern Hotel as above. Most of this article appears to me to be a thinly disguised ad for the "real-life" location but the various books provide details on the place as it appears and is used in the series. HighKing⁺⁺ 14:21, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per consensus. HighKing is right that this feels like a thin advert for the real-life location where they filmed it, and I can see the logic of deletion. But the wider Twin Peaks (location) has the potential to meet our policies. Shooterwalker (talk) 21:15, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per HighKing and Shooterwalker Andre🚐 20:10, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Nominator comment I see support for HighKing's suggestion and I think it has a better chance of producing an article that passes WP:SIGCOV. I would be fine with a merge. Jontesta (talk) 19:22, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.