Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evan Farmer

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sandstein 21:32, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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This guy's had his finger in several pies, but I couldn't find any reputable sources. All of his roles are small trivial ones on mostly non-notable shows. Zero sourcing in article, zero sourcing found. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 14:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete One mention in a "where are they now" HGTV hosts article, I don't see much else. If he was the host of a show, I'd expect to find more written about him. Oaktree b (talk) 20:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to Draft Inadequate sourcing to meet notability for WP:Basic or WP: GNG. Has collected a large number of distinct editors over the past 4 years but fails to show how or why. Firsthand sourcing, COI? That being said, with all the minor roles subject has had deletion seems hasty, but the article as written doesn’t meet notability criteria. NiklausGerard (talk) 18:29, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I was able to find some non-trivial coverage about him. 1, 2,3. GoldenAgeFan1 (talk) 07:34, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, but feel free to remove information that can't be sourced. We have thousands of stubs for actors who have only had minor roles in various projects, and unless we're going to change Wikipedia policy and remove all those I see no reason to single this guy out. He's been the host of a couple notable TV shows, and is a member of 2gether, which is certainly notable (all the other members have articles). Editing rather than removal seems like the proper action here. -R. fiend (talk) 15:03, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @R. fiend: If we removed the "information that can't be sourced", the article would be blank. Saying that other similar articles exist does nothing for this article's integrity. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 15:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• We have enough information for a short paragraph about who he is and a list of his appearances on film and TV. Not a great article by any means, but very similar to thousands of other articles on minor figures that, as far as I know, are not nominated for deletion. I still see no reason to single this guy out. I initially created this entry 17 years ago as a redirect to 2gether, and I wouldn't oppose a revert to that except that he's done a fair amount of stuff since then, so that no longer seems like the proper course of action. -R. fiend (talk) 16:50, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep WP:NACTOR is the relevant subject specific guideline here. Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions The opening says he is in the lead role for a notable television movie and television series on MTV and a host for the Emmy-nominated While You Were Out (TLC), Freestyle (HGTV), and Door Knockers (DIY). He host a show that was nominated for an Emmy, and all but one of these things have the own Wikipedia articles so must be notable productions. Dream Focus 18:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @Dream Focus: So because of that, we're allowed to ignore the fact that there isn't a single source on the entire Internet that says a single damn thing about him? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:03, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, that's how it works. He meets the notability requirement for actors so nothing else matters. Dream Focus 18:04, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• So the article gets to be {{unreferenced}} forever? And then editors like me who want to improve the article by removing unsourced content have no choice but to blank the whole thing? Vandals can come along and add whatever the fuck they want because we can just randomly choose to ignore "reliable third party sources" whenever we feel like it? For all I know, Evan Farmer is actually Dave Grohl in a heavy disguise, and he just bought the moon for 99 cents. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:17, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Dream Focus, that is not correct. The section for Additional Criteria says that "meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included". Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 01:32, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Found a couple of sources via Newspapers.com [1], [2], [3], [4] Timur9008 (talk) 21:26, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I've taken a quick stab at sourcing a few things from links provided above, and removing most of the unsourced fluff, leaving in his TV and film appearances and his music career, all of which should be verifiable. More work should be done on it still. -R. fiend (talk) 18:46, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't see any more sources in the article than were there previously. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:48, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Because that's not a requirement to keep an article. Dream Focus 03:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Per sources identified above, WP:NACTOR #1, and the WP:GNG. Per WP:PROD: PROD must only be used if no opposition to the deletion is expected, this article should NEVER have been prodded. There is not even the beginning of a case for deletion, so not expecting opposition to deletion would be really steep. Kudos to R. fiend for detecting the problem and to Timur9008 and GoldenAgeFan1 for finding excellent sources. gidonb (talk) 15:53, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Timur9008: could you please add those sources to the article? Few things bug me more than tons of people saying "Keep, I found sources" and none of them doing anything to fix the article. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 16:38, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

   Done Sorry, I didn't reply quickly, I just got back from work. Timur9008 (talk) 22:02, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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