Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ferenc Velkey

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The result was no consensus. Star Mississippi 01:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ferenc Velkey

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Olympian who fails GNG. There is an academic of this name who is probably a different person. Avilich (talk) 00:03, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Avilich (talk) 00:03, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete the one source cited seems to be an IMDB-type site that will list any Hungarian athlete, regardless of notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Partofthemachine (talk • contribs) 00:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The Italian wikipedia equates him with the basketball player who was on the bronze medal winning team at EuroBasket 1946. St Anselm (talk) 01:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The basketball player is called "Velkei", not "Velkey". They may be identical, but of the sources in the Italian page this database shows no awareness of it, and I cannot confirm it with this source either. Avilich (talk) 13:44, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@StAnselm and Avilich: It was the same person according to [1] and Olympedia lists both surnames. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 20:12, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not enough sources to determine notability or to verify the facts. --Bigneeerman (talk) 19:24, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Week Keep I know there are not a lot of information about him, but he played 3 Basketball European championships and at the Olympics handball. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 20:17, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Basketball, Handball, and Olympics. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 20:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hungary-related deletion discussions. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 20:20, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever their identity, sportspeople need to have received significant coverage according to WP:SPORTCRIT#5; participation in notable competitions was deprecated as a criterion of notability in this RfC, and I'm still not seeing how this person meets GNG. Assuming all of your search hits down below are about him, they appear not to meet criterion #4 which requires "reports beyond routine game coverage" and beyond mere passing mentions or team member listings. Avilich (talk) 21:59, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Malo95.--User:Namiba 20:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment has somebody access to arcanum and can look at the following search results: TEXT=((Velkei OR Velkey) AND (Kézilabda OR Kosárlabda)) DATE=(1930-01-01--1940-01-01)? 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 20:47, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. There is enough to make me believe sufficient coverage WP:NEXISTs to satisfy BASIC/GNG, particularly in local language sources. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 11:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you're referring to the search results above, would you mind explaining why they meet criterion #4 of WP:SPORTCRIT which requires "reports beyond routine game coverage" and passing mentions? Your Małolepszy 2013 source also contains no prose and is just a team roster. Avilich (talk) 18:19, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

While it is clear that the majority of the coverage is passing mentions in routine sports coverage, as it is for any sportsperson, it seems very likely (if not almost certain) that many of the hits on Arcanum Digitheca contain significant coverage (e.g."Velkei Ferenc the famous Hungarian international referee...","Only of these Velkei Ferenc was an international referee at the age of 50...","Velkey Ferenc today the referee who is Bp Vörös...","According to Ferenc Velkei, deputy general secretary of Hungarian basketball...","Ferenc Velkei is a multiple Hungarian national team player...","...we inquired with Ferenc Velkei, the international commissioner of the MKOSZ...") – unfortunately the snippets are extremely brief (and Google translate does an awful job of translating them) and Arcanum is paywalled. There are even more hits by extending the date window up to the present. For me, it is unreasonable to think there is no significant coverage in these local language sources. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 10:07, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 15:06, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 19:55, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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