Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Raab

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 22:44, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:GNG through lack of significant coverage. A few paid obituaries were published in 1940, but they were neither significant or independent.

Meets WP:GYMNAST, but per WP:NSPORTS they are required to meet WP:GNG, which they do not do. BilledMammal (talk) 17:08, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. BilledMammal (talk) 17:08, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. BilledMammal (talk) 17:08, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. BilledMammal (talk) 17:08, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The discussion in which it was determined that non-medalists at the Olympics are not default notable should be implemnted as a revision to all sports-related notability guidelines so they only say medalists are default notable. Beyond this, the 1904 Olympics was essentially an American Olympics. over 500 of the just over 600 competitors are classes as Americans, but this is actually deceptively low since some of the non-US citzens were long term residents of the US who came under sponsorship of athletic-clubs in the US. We also do not have the sourcing here needed to keep any article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: what is a paid obituary and in what way were they not independent? Geschichte (talk) 10:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • A paid obituary is one the family pays to be printed. They are generally composed by the family. The newspaper does not verrify the details. If they do have an editor review them, it is only for style and spelling issues, the newspaper does not stand behind the details. They are thus to work or a relative, not the work of the newspaper itself.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:35, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • In this specific case the obituary does not even mention that Raab was an Olympic competitor. It says he was a machinest. It says where and when he died, when the service will be and who his family are. Some would argue it is not really an obituary at all, but is instead a death notice.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:40, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • OK. This type of obituary is free in my country, hence my question about the word "paid". So here, they can be distinguished by the relatives' names signing the piece. Geschichte (talk) 12:59, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to United States at the 1904 Summer Olympics#Gymnastics if nothing can be found on him per WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 14:50, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Despite being an American athlete competing in an Olympics hosted in the United States, I find no newspaper coverage of him in 1904. The Olympics did not receive nearly the coverage in 1904 that it does today, and on top of that Raab was not one of the significant competitors -- finishing 92nd in the triathlon and 69th in the all-around. Google searches and a search of the LA84 Foundation's on-line library of Olympic materials also failed to turn up SIGCOV. His own obituary/death notice (regardless of independence) doesn't even mention that he was an athlete, further undercutting any notion that he was notable for his athletic efforts. I also question the wisdom of a redirect given there are other Frank Raabs who are more notable. See, e.g., Rear Admiral Frank Raab Cbl62 (talk) 20:11, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Frank Raab (admiral) now exists. After the current Frank Raab is deleted, the admiral can be moved to reflect its being the primary topic. Cbl62 (talk) 21:56, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Before doing that someone needs to make sure to extinguish all links intended to go to this name. In the over-linked cast listings on films (some of which film articles are sourced to IMDb), I have found multiple false links. In one case it was to a person born 65 years after the film was made.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:56, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I've cleaned them up. It's a little premature, but given that the admiral is clearly primary, and this seems certain to be deleted, I don't believe there will be an issue. BilledMammal (talk) 14:12, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.