Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hermes (BBS)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Bulletin board system. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsourced article about an BBS software which does not seem to meet the requirements of WP:GNG. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 03:08, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 03:08, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:51, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't been able to find any reliable source. What a shame. Pretty nice article. DFlhb (talk) 16:19, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to List of BBS software or Bulletin board system - I was unable to find significant coverage. The deepest information on the Hermes software appears to be this page, maintained by Michael Alyn Miller. I emailed the author to see if sources are available with that history. Hermes is notably not listed in the index of "Internet BBSs" (Mark 1996). Other stuff I've found: A passing mention in a paragraph about a technology system. Passing mention as a public BBS system in a 2005 sweep of exposed systems. Note: there is another project from around the same time called the "Project Hermes" that appeared to be an attempt to make US Supreme Court decisions available electronically. Suriname0 (talk) 18:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Support merge, which would allow the contents to remain in this article's history, so that it could be potentially brought back if more substantial sourcing is found in the future. DFlhb (talk) 09:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - In an email, Michael Alyn Miller says: "I cobbled that history page together from various records on Olympus (the "official" Hermes support BBS) and maybe some web searching, I can’t remember exactly. I also have many years of FidoNet archives stashed away somewhere and I wouldn’t be surprised if I grabbed some of these dates from there. I am sure that there are (physical) records out there putting dates on some of this stuff. The early Mac “BBS” scene manifested itself in a few conferences like Mactivity (ca. 1995) that *maybe* the Hermes folks would have exhibited at? I thought I still had my handouts from those conferences, but they didn’t turn up in a quick scan of my office." I'm still in correspondence. Suriname0 (talk) 02:42, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Reasonable source identified by Michael Alyn Miller. Suriname0 (talk) 00:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Found a few more: [1][2], [3] (his name is William "Frank" Price, that's not a typo).

  There's also relatively brief mention, about a half paragraph, in the 1992 "Dr. Macintosh's Guide to to the On-line Universe", page 225; part of it says "it's not as solid or as feature-laden as the alternatives", but is "fine for learning how a BBS works". Not linking but it's easy to find online. DFlhb (talk) 01:19, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. There seems to be a consensus that this article should be Merged with another existing article but I'd like to see more input on which target article it should be. Otherwise it's a matter of my picking one over another which gets us into the dreaded "supervote" realm.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge - what little can/should be merged to Bulletin board system. It seems to have some relevance to the history of the concept of the BBS which would give it some relevance there. List of BBS software's lede specifically notes that the list is "a list of notable bulletin board system (BBS) software packages" which if it's being merged due to lack of notability, wouldn't belong there. - Aoidh (talk) 01:45, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.