Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Highlander Brigade

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to NorthEast United FC#Supporters. Consensus is clearly against keeping and appears to be roughly in favor of redirecting. Per ATD and CHEAP this appears the best course. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:36, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable group of supporters. ... discospinster _talk 19:47, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. ... discospinster _talk 19:47, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. ... discospinster _talk 19:47, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete without prejudice of another better article being created. SportingFlyer T·C 02:21, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 13:51, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to NorthEast United FC#Supporters where it's already mentioned and referenced. No need for a separate article. GiantSnowman 13:53, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep the page Highlander Brigade, as substantial source and reference material has been provided. Bin 20:02, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep on the basis of the below references. The references state that Highlander Brigade are the supporters'group of NorthEast United FC. Bin 04:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• A number of changes has been made in the Highlander Brigade page and I hope those are sufficient to keep the page away from deletion. Further references to justify the cause are given below. Bin 08:01, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The article has been entirely rewritten , referenced, and significantly expanded since User:discospinster nominated it, User:SportingFlyer voted to delete and User:GiantSnowman voted to redirect. Two of the references do show notability. one and two. Nfitz (talk) 19:33, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Still not convinced. Four sources - one from the group itself, one from the club, and two from questionable local sources, none of which show significant coverage to meet GNG. GiantSnowman 19:55, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how they'd be described as local. One covers the entire Northeast India, which is eight different states, and a population of over 40 million people! That's not local. And the other is national - in a nation of over 1.3 billion people; these aren't village papers or websites here. I'm surprised these sources are all in English though - User:BinBoro, are there no sources in other languages? The language itself doesn't matter for Wikipedia, it's more about the quality and how in-depth the source is. Nfitz (talk) 20:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Two of the four sources link to bloody Instagram, and Fisto appears to cover anyone who wants to cover them, meaning there's no editorial oversight. The NE News Now article is about a FIFA video game event the supporter group held, so WP:GNG there is very... arguable. We're not there yet. SportingFlyer T·C 21:43, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Still, with the improvements, User:SportingFlyer, how is this a delete, and not at least a redirect? Nfitz (talk) 02:58, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I was the first !voter here, I don't really care if it's redirected if there's a proper target, it's even nearing the WP:GNG line but I don't think it has crossed it yet. SportingFlyer T·C 03:06, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Fair enough, User:SportingFlyer. I'm just a bit surprised that User:Fenix down relisted and noted that consensus is leaning towards delete, when you are the only one of five to comment who endorsed deletion. Nfitz (talk) 04:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As I'm new to the process of AFD, I would like to understand what are we trying to establish here. Is it Highlander Brigade is genuine? If it is the question then Highlander Brigade is a genuine and notable group. The group has 9.2+ follows on Facebook[1], 5.6k+ on Instagram[2] and some 1.1k+ on [3]. The regular viewers of the Indian Super League will know Highlander Brigade is mentioned and talked about in every NorthEast United pre-match discussion on the Star network. But for the given references, one is directly from the club itself, two is given to show or prove the claims in three and four is an article from Fisto Sports, a national sports news website and I don't believe they cover everyone for the sake of it.Bin(talk) 02:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@BinBoro: We need articles which pass our WP:GNG general notability guideline. It's not enough that sources exist, it's not enough that we can verify something exists, we need multiple sources which show secondary, independent, reliable groups have adequately covered the topic. Fisto Sports FAQ says they'll write an article on pretty much anything, see here, so we can't use them as a reliable source. The article also needs a rewrite as much of the prose isn't encyclopaedic - it feels like what the group would write about itself and isn't adequately sourced. I'd be fine draftifying this until more sources can be found. SportingFlyer T·C 02:39, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I see how Fisto is a problem. The Northeast one is good though. I'm surprised there isn't any coverage in Assamese. Significant media coverage is what we are looking for. 02:58, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I understand @SportingFlyer:. The News Mill website and Khelnow, a leading sports news website, has written about the agitation of the Highlander Brigade towards the club NorthEast United FC. The sources are given here.Further Highlander Brigade is mentioned in a tweet from the Indian Super League, the league in which NorthEast United play and by NorthEast United in a YouTube video.There are not many Assamese news papers online, most of them still have paper newspapers.Bin(talk) 03:05, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• A few articles by leading newspapers about Highlander Brigade: 1.Deccan Chronicle mentions Highlander Brigade in an article. 2. The Assam Tribune writes about Highlander Brigade hosted soccer meet.. 3. Dailyhunt mentions Highlander Brigade alongside Blue Pilgrims in an articleBin(talk) 04:13, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect per GiantSnowman. Current sourcing certainly does not indicate subject meeting WP:GNG but what information can be retained would be useful for the club's article. None of the provided sources demonstrate WP:GNG: two of them are just instagram posts, and one is about the group supporting a FIFA video game event. The Fisto article is interesting but similar coverage from more reliable sources would help establish the subject as notable independent of the club. Jay eyem (talk) 02:54, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jay eyem: Please look into the following references by Deccan Chronicle: one, The Assam Tribune: two and Dailyhunt: three (BinBoro (talk) 19:32, 14 November 2019 (UTC))[reply]

I am not seeing these sources fulfilling the need for significant coverage. The first source does not address the group in detail. The second source is sending me to a video of a protest, so I'm not sure if that's what was intended but I have my doubts that would constitute significant coverage. The third source is a passing mention of the group in the context of the larger article. I am also unsure about the reliability of these sources. Jay eyem (talk) 01:48, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to NorthEast United FC#Supporters where it's already mentioned and referenced. per Giantsnowman. Wm335td (talk) 21:26, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.