Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iryna Sysoyenko

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The result was Speedy Keep. SK#1: nom withdrawn, and no other deletion arguments czar ⨹ 06:25, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Iryna Sysoyenko (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Non-notable person. Although WP:POLITICIAN lists the holding of a national-level office as one of its criteria, it is important to remember that the guideline in question states "People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards" (emphasis added). In this case, there does not appear to be any significant independent coverage available. The single independent article I could find (this piece from the BBC) reflects the fact that, although the Samopomich party took third place in the October 26 election, almost nothing is known about the slate of candidates they had proposed. (Apparently in Ukraine, one votes for a party, not the candidate. The party publishes a list of candidates, and based on the number of seats they win, they fill those seats from the top of their candidate list. Sysoyenko was number 25 on a list of 61 candidates.[1]) Given that there is no significant independent coverage, I think WP:GNG has to prevail over the presumed likely notability of WP:POLITICIAN in this case. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:18, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:04, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:05, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:06, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:06, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• WP:BIO also says that an article about a person who fails the basic criteria but meets the additional criteria should be merged into a broader topic, which, for a politician, will typically be a list of members of the legislature. This precludes deletion of any article satisfying WP:POLITICIAN on grounds of notability. James500 (talk) 04:14, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • In this case, there does not appear to be such a list on en.wiki. The closest candidate would be Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2014 except that Sysoyenko is not mentioned by name in that article, nor should she be. (She appears to have been simply one person on a list, and that list was elected en masse; she does not appear to have played any part in the actual campaign.) So, that redirect would violate the principle of least surprise (redirects should point to pages that actually mention the redirect subject in some meaningful fashion). With no valid target for a redirect, what are we to do except delete? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:58, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:BIO says "If no article currently exists into which the person can be merged, consider writing the article yourself or request the article be written." Is there some reason why such a list cannot be created? James500 (talk) 19:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • There is an article on the uk.wiki (https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Верховна_Рада_України_VIII_скликання), so I suppose an effort can be made to translate that to English, and then redirect the current target to that translated list. Any takers? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:59, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep we've longstanding consensus that members of national legislatures are notable and for many good reasons, not least of which it avoids the systematic bias that would result otherwise. This person verifiably meets WP:POLITICIAN. Sysoyenko is covered directly here and gets some biographical coverage here as one of the deputies forming a new parliamentary group. The latter also mentions that she's been covered in Komsomolskaya Pravda one of the three largest newspapers in the Ukraine. The article also has a side box where she features on a magazine cover, apparently not online, where she gets an article devoted to her, though as that's offline it's hard to evaluate its reliability. Incidentally, the nominator is mistaken about how the electoral system in Ukraine works, it's not a Closed list system, as they seem to believe, so people aren't elected "en masse." It's a mixed system, with some elected from single member constituencies and the rest elected from Open lists, i.e. the party gets a certain number of seats and then the most voted for candidates within the list get those seats. Sysoyenko was elected because her party received more votes than many others *and* she received more votes from the electorate than other candidates of her party. The latter is something which no member of the British or Canadian parliaments can say. Valenciano (talk) 17:08, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Valenciano: Thank you for finding those sources. I was unable to find anything significant using the various spellings of her name that I could discover, but these articles use an alternate spelling and do, indeed, provide sufficient coverage. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 06:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiDan61:, if you look at the dates on the sources, most of them are from this week, so there's no criticism of you for making what was clearly a good faith nomination as you've clearly done WP:BEFORE. I wonder, though, if given the fact that these sources have now come to light, you'd consider withdrawing the nomination? Valenciano (talk) 11:45, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Member of national legislature for major nation, and thus inherently notable. Well-covered by reliable sources. -LtNOWIS (talk)
• Withdrawn. Sources have appeared that meet requirements for WP:POLITICIAN. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:04, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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