Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Javaid Anwar (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. As this keeps getting recreated and deleted at AfD, the title is protected again, any honest efforts to recreate this article should be done in draft space. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 10:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non notable poet, was twice deleted at afd Lavalizard101 (talk) 14:18, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: just reverted an inappropriate blanking of this afd by User:WeLeventae. Lavalizard101 (talk) 21:56, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  
• Keep: The last versions of the article were not as good as they are now. So the nom reason is not very good. Also, there is a citation of The News/Jang Media which is Pakistan's biggest media network. Pakistan's largest media network covering news about Javaid is very notable. Also, sorry for the blanking. User:WeLeventae 22:07 28 August 2021 (UTC)— WeLeventae (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

The news ref only mentions him and the Jang Media piece is an obituary written by a friend, as such neither of these class as RS counting towards notability. Lavalizard101 (talk) 22:19, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

— WeLeventae (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

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Yes, I have only made edits on Javaid Anwar, so? What does that have to do with this deletion discussion?

• Comment: PInging editors from previous afds for the opinion @Cabayi and Saqib:. Lavalizard101 (talk) 22:44, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lavalizard101, you should ping ALL contributors or none otherwise you may appear to be WP:SOLICITing. Pings to Dusti & Pharaoh of the Wizards. Cabayi (talk) 09:42, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Pakistan Today, Express Tribune and even Rekhta cover info about the poet so I think this should not be deleted since three very notable and famous websites cover info about this. User:Rimsha Mustafa Khan 22:25 28 August 2021 (UTC)

— Rimsha Mustafa Khan (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Delete I couldn't find anything helpful about this person. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 04:52, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete & salt no assertion of notability. Cabayi (talk) 09:37, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  
• Update: I have added citations of Pakistan Today, Express Tribune, Geo News, UrduPoint and also Rekhta. How are all these websites not notable. I also added list of books and I am continuing to improve the article. Please this article should stay. I dont understand why such pathetic articles like Bir Masih Saunta can stay on Wiki whereas Javaid Anwar can't? User:WeLevantae 10:02 28 August 2021 (UTC)
  
• Keep: The article is suitable for an average wiki article for a poet. The article is just like Shakeb Jalali, Hasan Abidi and other . Also agree with Rimsha Mustafa Khan's point. User:Biskut Merry 11:17 28 August 2021 (UTC)

WeLevantae, Biskut Merry, the fact that your argument has the shortcut WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS should tell you all you need to know. If you think, in good faith, that other articles merit deletion, nominate them. Cabayi (talk) 13:10, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cabayi, Ok, sorry mate I didnt knew about that policy. Biskut Merry (talk) 14:22, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/WeLeventae, as three of the above participants are likely socks. Curbon7 (talk) 04:30, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

comment In response to this, if you are a sock, this article would have been created in violation of policy and the keep votes here would be in violation as well thus the article would be deleted per policy, also please remain civil. Lavalizard101 (talk) 13:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and salt. Fails WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 22:01, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I am not seeing many sources establishing notability. Main one is from Express Tribube. The others are either passing mentions, or primary source hosts (Rekhta hosts poetry but doesn't establish notability in of itself)

• "Urdu poetry: Funeral for Dr Javed Anwar today". The Express Tribune. 2011-11-27. Retrieved 2021-09-12.
• "Voices, Heard and Unheard | Pakistan Today". archive.pakistantoday.com.pk. Retrieved 2021-09-12.

• Delete absent better sourcing, there are currently only two independent sources that mention him somewhat in depth. The other sources are acceptable for the article, but not in establishing notability. Are there reliable sources written in Urdu, which is perfectly acceptable? I am surprised none have been included so far. ~ Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:42, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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