Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Lewis, Jr. (Florida judge)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Andrew Base (talk) 11:06, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Lewis, Jr. (Florida judge) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Fails WP:JUDGE. Not a state level judge. Florida has Five District Court of Appeals. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. This is a Florida state chief judge. Chief judges of the Florida District Courts of Appeal are notable. — Sagotreespirit (^talk) 04:08, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep. Passes WP:JUDGE. This person served as the Chief Judge of Florida First District Court of Appeal and is still on the court. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 09:23, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• @Lefcentreright:, @Sagotreespirit:, WP:JUDGE reads- "The following are presumed to be notable: Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or sub-national (e.g., province- or state-wide) office. Lewis is a member of the Florida First District Court of Appeal. Florida has FIVE District Court of Appeal, none of which cover the whole state. He is not a state-wide judge. My nomination clearly said that. The rationale for your keep votes is erroneous....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:10, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - the abbreviation relating to sub-national judges in WP:JUDGE is "e.g.", not "i.e." - that means it is not exhaustive. Bookscale (talk) 10:39, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per my standards for lawyers. He was not just a AAG but a "Bureau Chief", chief judge for his appellate district, applied to the Florida Supreme Court, but didn't get it, "recognized as an expert in a specialized area of law" - administrative law, and "service in an administrative capacity in a major court system agency". Bearian (talk) 01:59, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Bearian: FYI, chief judge of Florida appellate rotates every two years. If someone is on the court long enough, they'll get the position....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:08, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete He does not meet judicial notability. That is reserved for state wide judges, not sub-statwide judges. The fact he tried to get appointment to the state supreme court but failed does not change that fact.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:06, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: the appropriate criteria by which to assess this subject is set forth in Wikipedia:WikiProject United States courts and judges/Notability. This guideline states with respect to judges of state courts of appeals: "Such judges are not inherently notable, but holding such a position is strong evidence of notability that can be established by other indicia of notability. In particular, state courts of appeals judges who serve for a comparatively long time, who preside over important cases, or whose opinions are often cited by higher courts in the state, by federal courts, or by state courts in other states, are highly likely to be notable". BD2412 T 06:00, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Florida First District Court of Appeal. The subject does not qualify as automatically notable per WP:JUDGE because his court is not a state supreme court. Nor do the sources in this article establish him as being notable enough in his own right to support having an article of his own. As a second choice, just delete. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:41, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Bearian. Lepricavark (talk) 18:45, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Florida First District Court of Appeal as a non-state-wide judge. A seriously edge argument could be that in the matter of workers' compensation claims he technically is state-wide, but I believe that too niche. If the court handled all administrative law, I might reconsider, but in lieu of good reasoning to the contrary, he's out. NJUDGE, BASIC & GNG are the only relevant notability guidelines, as project's can't issue binding guidance. Nosebagbear (talk) 16:25, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Passes WP:JUDGE. Chief Judge of Florida First District Court of Appeal. Wm335td (talk) 19:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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