Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua David Stone

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The result was delete and redirect to Ascended Master Teachings. Black Kite (talk) 14:52, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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No assertion of notability Wqwt (talk) 06:37, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Probably Delete. First time I ever saw an AfD for a guy who claims to belong to a membership organization that encompasses the entire Galaxy. We are in seriously WP:FRINGE territory here. Lede describes him as part of something called Ascended Master Teachings. While I am not sure what that is, I can say is that I do not see any WP:RSing on a page that is largely sourced to articles Stone wrote on non-notable websites. There is a citation to an article in Touchstone (magazine): "Kiesling coughed up $333 to hear Dr. Joshua David Stone, founder of the Melchizedek Synthesis Light Academy... Dr. Stone spoke about ascending the 352 layers of God (who seems to resemble a Napoleon), and then introduced Bob Fickes, who is...". Another citation is to "Awareness Magazine: southern California's Guide to Conscious Living" [1]. "Mount Shasta’s popular Annual Wesak Celebration will continue this year, in honor of its founder, Dr. Joshua David Stone, whose untimely death last year saddened us all." This is not the galaxy I live in, so, trying to play fair, I ran his name through a Proquest News Archive search, and found several other people withe the same name, a brief mention in the Tri - State Defender, in teh Entertainment pages, in series of quotations form famous yogis: "All desire for pleasure, power, and the acquiring and hoarding of material objects is removed. All selfish attachment is removed. Quoted from Hidden Mysteries: ETs, Ancient Mystery Schools and Ascension by Joshua David Stone, Ph.D." A second quotation in the same section:
• "Quotes from notables: Ascension check list
• Author Joshua David Stone has provided us with a few techniques for improving our lives in order to advance our standing while on earth - in preparation for the 'next phase.' His check list, in his book The Complete Ascension Manual: How to Achieve Ascension in This Lifetime, includes:
• Give up arguing. You must ask yourself, 'Do I want love, or do I want to win?' You can't have both.
• Simply your life. Reduce your wants and needs.
• Take the vow of nonviolence.
• Serve your fellow man with an attitude of indifference to the fruits of your actions.
• Cultivate preferences and not attachments. As Buddha said, 'All suffering comes from your attachments.'"
• Feel free to flag me to revisit if you can source it, but It looks as though he was a spiritual teacher with some real popularity, but not notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:41, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete a guru of a spiritual movement, it reads like PROMO, although subject is dead. Problem is that his name fails to bring up WP:SIGCOV in searches, and sources on page, dead links aside, are small publicaitons wihtin this spiritual awareness movement. The one apparent exception, a 2004 cite (#3 on page) to the Mt. Shasta Daily, "Magazine takes over Wesak event for one year," which sounds like an article in a local paper, actually leads to a blank page on a Buddhist website. If anyone can source it, feel free to ping me to reconsider. I can't source it. Fails WP:ANYBIO.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:19, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or Merge into Ascended Master Teachings. Stone is notable for researchers of new religious movements and transpersonal psychology as he was a prominent figure within the UFO religion community for some time. The article is not particularly well sourced, but this warrants improvement rather than outright deletion. Stone seems at least as significant as any other channeler in UFO religions. However, merging would keep the information and in a place where people looking for information about Stone would likely find it, because he's only really notable within that field. WayfaringMan (talk) 14:55, 26 October 2018 (UTC)WayfaringMan[reply]

@WayfaringMan: Please sign your messages. Anyway, are you connected to the subject of this page? Your only contribution is to add to this discussion. Wqwt (talk) 19:23, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Wqwt: Sorry, will moving forward. No, I'm not connected to the subject of the page - I came on the page while conducting graduate research on the subject of UFO cults, and noticed the deletion discussion. Because the page was relevant to my research I figured others may benefit from it in the future as well. However, whether it's its own page or merged into the AMT page is irrelevant so long as it's not outright deleted. As for my only contribution, that's true, I've only done minor grammatical edits in the last decade and didn't make an account for those. The topic _does_ need improved, as was mentioned - the sources aren't fantastic - but the actual individual is notable within the field. WayfaringMan (talk) 14:55, 26 October 2018 (UTC)WayfaringMan[reply]

To keep this separate article, Joshua David Stone needs to meet the general WP:BIO guidelines. He can have a section in Ascended Master Teachings but most of this info is non-notable. Wqwt (talk) 21:10, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - a real marathon wading through the text, the extended bibliography and then the refs, to end with pretty well next to nothing. Appeared to have been a seriously weird guy (my POV) but not notable on this planet.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   15:02, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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