Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Judith Augoustides

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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:49, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Judith Augoustides (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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South African Olympic beach volleyballer who competed at the 2008 Summer Olympics. That, aside from an infobox and a birthdate, is all we have on her in this article. I've checked Google, which brings up many other wiki and user-generated articles, and some databases that confirm that she did not win a medal in a later Olympics either. My newspapers search just brought up single-sentence mentions, all related to the 2008 Olympics. I suspect that South African newspapers are under-indexed in my database, but I don't know that finding more of them would make a difference here or if it would just be more single sentences.

I assume this article was added because all Olympians were once considered notable, but the guidelines at WP:NOLYMPICS now hold that only medallists are notable. asilvering (talk) 17:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Only held due to the previous WP:NOLYMPICS standard. While I disagreed with changing that criteria, consensus is consensus, and it has deemed these such articles to be non-notable. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the first, or at least one of the first, Olympian AfDs since that change. Curbon7 (talk) 19:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. As the editor who deprodded the article, I was unaware of this really incredibly major change to the notability guidelines in August and I suspect many other editors will be too. My, this really does open the floodgates for the deletionists, doesn't it. They'll be in paroxysms of joy. Yet another disservice to the encyclopaedia that they've managed to get through. Where will it all end, I wonder? -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:31, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  It will end with a lovely, tidy, encyclopedia with no articles and no readers, where people will be able to argue endlessly without being distracted by such unimportant things. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC) [reply]

  Cynical, but sadly probably all too true. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not so sure -- I've come across a lot of athlete stubs recently, and this is the first one (iirc) that I've felt was PROD/AfD-worthy. The rest had an Olympic medal or were on a major pro team. -- asilvering (talk) 20:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment, de.wikipedia.org has some more information on her. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:52, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  @BeanieFan11 Nothing that gets her into en-wp notability standards as far as I can tell, though I might be wrong or might have missed something? If it turns out she's within notability guidelines I can port some of that over (it's fun that she retired and started a bakery, but I don't think that helps the notability case, unless this is an extremely well-reviewed bakery...) -- asilvering (talk) 21:16, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The claim that merely showing up for the olympics, especially in the pre-World War I phase, or in sports where you are playing on a team as opposed to getting judged individually, makes one default notable was never supported by the facts. It has lead to huge numbers of "biographies" with one low quality source, that only tell us the person competed in a certain year in the olympics, and maybe the year they were born, and nothing else. This new rule is going to cause people to spend the energy to better review these articles. It will lead to us having much higher quality articles on the olympic competitors whose articles we keep, and it will lead to removal of articles that can not be supported through GNG. This article clearly lacks the sourcing that would be needed to pass GNG, and significant searching has not produced the needed significant coverage in independent, reliable, 3rd-party secondary sources, so we should delete this article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:56, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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