Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KVV Subrahmanyam

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 16:31, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

KVV Subrahmanyam

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As a non admin I can’t see deleted material but I am pretty this is a recreation of an article previously deleted by consensus and repeatedly recreated by a persistent editor or group of editors determined to force him into the encyclopedia. This surname is common and there are many variants and it seems there is a game going on to recreate this under variant spellings to sneak under the NPP radar but I think a previous incarnation may be Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/V Aravind Subramanyam. Anyway, aside from the mechanics of what version appeared when and who created it, the subject is not notable. Mccapra (talk) 13:06, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Mccapra, the article you just linked is not describing the same person: it was describing an author who is apparently still living and was never involved with the police force.

Joyous! | Talk 16:36, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Well if it’s not that one then there is another deleted article about the same subject under a variant spelling, though I must admit I’m not exactly what it was. Mccapra (talk) 20:31, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ping me if you need the info in another deleted article. I'm happy to check for you. Joyous! Noise! 14:35, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello , There are many names of Subrahmanyam around. This is a new page created. . Pls let me know how I can remove the delete tag. I have been a wikipedian from 2007. He has been a distinguished IPS officer, Prolific writer and poet. His name had been added in the Cambridge bibliography of poets. He participated in the international poetry of congress in Bangkok. Thanks K Bala — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbala1055 (talk • contribs) 13:34, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Police-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 15:04, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete Non-notable as an author, doesn't seem to pass GNG. Simply being a police officer isn't enough for notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 15:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello Oaktree,
    Thanks for your inputs. He was simply not a police officer. He rose to the rank of Principal Home secretary to the then Chief Minister of AP. He was also a Vice-chairman of AP Housing Board. He held many distinguished high ranking positions outside Police service. He was also a Chairman of Tirumala tirupati Devastanam.
    Besides being a police officer, he was a prolific writer of poems and Newspaper articles in leading Indian newspaers.
    He participated in the World congress of Poets in Bangkok in 1988. His name had been included in the Cambridge Bibliography of English Poets. He was a member of the Hyderabad Poetry Society. His articles on many topics including Indian Bureaucracy have appeared in leading Indian daily newspapers like Indian Express, The Hindu, Deccan Chronicle, Andhra Bhoomi, Triveni, and the New Swatantra times
    Reason for including this page:
    1. He hails from a remote village being born in not-so-urban area with very little access to education.
    2. He educated himself under trying circumstances and passed a tough Indian Civil Services exam androse to higher ranks in AP Government.
    3. He has written on many topics in leading Indian Newspapers under his name and some as Pseudonyms.
    4. If the page exists and is seen by the current generation of Youngsters of this area where he was born and where he lived, he will be a seen as a role model for the current generation youngsters to study IPS civil services exam and serve the Country and rise to higher ranks.
    5. Ramachandra Murthy Says in Hans India - He was seen as a man with a rare combination of discipline, honesty and scholarship, KVVS was an exemplary top gun who minced no words and spared none when it came to discharge of duties.
    This page will serve as a role model for aspiring government servants when such values are in a decline these days.
    6. In the Bulleting for Centre for Policy studies, Mr. I.V. Chalapathi Rao writes: “Sri K.V.V. Subrahmanyam is
    a retired IPS officer who held prestigious positions, in Govt.
    of Andhra Pradesh and distinguished himself in
    administration as Home Secretary. By propensity he is a
    poet. He is not only a noted poet but also a wise
    philosopher, independent thinker and humanist
    championing the cause of probity in public life and peace
    in the world. The present anthology of poems is a
    vindication of his reputation as a constructive critic,
    conscientious change agent and a visionary.
    Such values are on a decline nowadays. We are going to see the 10th death anniversary of this distinguished soul and should be recorded for posterity and constant remembrance and recapitulation for the current and coming generations.
    These are some of he reasons why the page should exist and not be deleted
    09:19, 5 March 2023 (UTC) Kbala1055 (talk) 09:19, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    He also held posts like Transport commissioner which is not related to his original domain of expertise.
    09:28, 5 March 2023 (UTC) Kbala1055 (talk) 09:28, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello,
    Pls let me know if the delete tag can be removed based on the points mentioned above. Especially, this can be a role-model for the people of the area in which he was born near Madurai. This is a remote village with a rural pastoral background. Kbala1055 (talk) 07:43, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Terrible article, but clearly notable as holder of the most senior rank in the Indian Police Service and senior civil service positions. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:17, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello Necrothesp,
    Thanks for your reply. Pls help in providing suggestions for improving this article.
    Can we remove the delete tag please?
    04:55, 8 March 2023 (UTC) Kbala1055 (talk) 04:55, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The deletion tag will be removed when this AfD discussion is closed. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:10, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

* Keep: barely, his rank I think makes him a notable figure. Needs cleanup.  // Timothy :: talk  14:29, 11 March 2023 (UTC) [reply]

(Switched to Delete, see below)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This needs more input. The "keep" arguments are poor (hagiographic wall of text and "senior policeman = notable").
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 21:53, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Sandstein,
Re-emphasizing the notable points:
1. He held very senior high-ranking civil services positions in the AP State Govt. reporting to the highest elected person in the state, namely, the chief minister of the AP State.
2. He was notable - " Subrahmanyam was a prolific writer in English "- Notes "The Hindu" in the Obituary on July 15 2023 - in the article published. His articles on many topics including Indian bureaucracy appeared in leading Indian daily newspapers such as Indian Express, The Hindu, Deccan Chronicle, Andhra Bhoomi, Triveni, and the New Swatantra Times.
3. He was a poet in English who published two books on - 1, the anthology of poems and another Sunny Reveries. This has been quoted by many authors in their books. He He participated in the World Congress of Poets in Bangkok in 1988. His name has been included in the Cambridge Bibliography of English Poets. He was a member of the Hyderabad Poetry Society. His poem has been referred by an author who has published a book "Naha, S. (n.d.). Page 51 Cricket, Public Culture and the Making of Postcolonial Calcutta. United States: Cambridge University Press.". This book is published by Cambridge University Press. This is quite a notable publication.
4.He hails from a remote village being born in not-so-urban area with very little access to education.
5. He educated himself under trying circumstances and passed a tough Indian Civil Services exam and rose to higher ranks in AP Government.
6. He has written on many topics in leading Indian Newspapers under his name and some as Pseudonyms.
7. If the page exists and is seen by the current generation of Youngsters of this area where he was born and where he lived, he will be a seen as a role model for the current generation youngsters to study IPS civil services exam and serve the Country and rise to higher ranks.
8. Ramachandra Murthy Says in Hans India - He was seen as a man with a rare combination of discipline, honesty and scholarship, KVVS was an exemplary top gun who minced no words and spared none when it came to discharge of duties.
This page will serve as a role model for aspiring government servants when such values are in a decline these days.
9. In the Bulletin for Centre for Policy studies, Mr. I.V. Chalapathi Rao writes: “Sri K.V.V. Subrahmanyam is
a retired IPS officer who held prestigious positions, in Govt. of Andhra Pradesh and distinguished himself in
administration as Home Secretary. By propensity he is a poet. He is not only a noted poet but also a wise
philosopher, independent thinker and humanist championing the cause of probity in public life and peace
in the world. The present anthology of poems is a vindication of his reputation as a constructive critic,
conscientious change agent and a visionary. Such values are on a decline nowadays. We are going to see the 10th death anniversary of this distinguished soul and should be recorded for posterity and constant remembrance and recapitulation for the current and coming generations.
10. There are many reliable references from AP State Govt included in the External reference. Need to think through and try to include this inline.
These are some of the reasons why the page should exist and not be deleted. Kbala1055 (talk) 15:04, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: I looked into this and changed my !vote above, I couldn't find anything that meets SIGCOV showing notability. I assumed because of their position they would have sources, but none showed up. Presumption does not equal automatic notability.

There was also a section for External links, none of which meet WP:EL, most failed V and Ind. Since they were not links and most failed V, I removed them.[1]  // Timothy :: talk  19:48, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tim,
These are some of points I would like to mention on your assessment: I feel your assessment is to be changed to Green on many points mentioned below.
The HINDU is a very popular daily newspaper in India. This is a news item that was published by a special correspondent. This is an independent news as the correspondent is no way related to the person KVV Subrahmanyam. The sources are reliable and independent. So that should be green. HINDU has significant coverage in South India.
I do not know how you say Govt published documents are not independent. The authority who publish in the Govt. of India are no way related to the person KVV Subrahmanyam. They are totally independent of the persons they are documenting. Suppose they publish directory of IPS officers from 1960 to 1975, they get the list of IPS officers data from reliable sources in the Government and there is no way they all can be related to person publishing it. So Govt sources are independent.
Similarly, the review is done by "Bulletin of the centre for Policy Studies" is not by KVV Subrahmanyam but on the work done by KVV Subrahmanyam. The Centre for policy studies is based in Vishakhapatnam which is 150 kms away from the place Hyderabad where KVV Subrahmanyam lived and died. They are not connected and the it is an independent review. Kbala1055 (talk) 12:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I noted some of my points that I observed. If this page is to be retained, kindly request you to let me know what steps need to be taken. Request to provide some help. I have added helpme in my talkpage.

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