Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keith C. Smith

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 05:42, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keith C. Smith (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Apart from being ambassador, nothing notable is shown in the article. Ambassadors do not confer notability. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 03:26, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and United States of America. Shellwood (talk) 13:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:NPOL: Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels. This also applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them. An ambassador to another country is a national office and could be considered an international office in some circumstances. In addition, if the lack of references are a concern than the following could both be added. [1] [2] Eternal Shadow Talk 00:23, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Added additional content with more sourcing. It seems like there are a couple more sources I could add perhaps but they are behind paywalls. Eternal Shadow Talk 03:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Ambassadors do not get automatic notability freebies under WP:NPOL — NPOL #1 applies to elected legislators and/or cabinet officials, not diplomatic appointees. Ambassadors, rather, get into Wikipedia only if they can be shown to clear WP:GNG on reliable source media coverage about their work as ambassadors, but the referencing here is entirely to primary sources that are not support for notability at all, such as content self-published by his own employer or other organizations directly affiliated with the claims. You make a person notable by referencing the article to journalism or books, not to staff profiles on the websites of his own employers. Bearcat (talk) 21:01, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:57, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Bearcat.

Raymond Kestis (talk) 04:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails GNG, I did a newspapers.com search and aside form his two-sentence inclusion in a syndicated news bulletin announcing several presidential diplomatic appointees, no coverage. -Indy beetle (talk) 04:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.