Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kian Bashiri

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was not delete. I fail to find a consensus for or against redirection, but that need not be determined at AFD and can be discussed further at the article talk page. Stifle (talk) 11:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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a non notable game developer fails WP:GNG. GermanKity (talk) 06:55, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. GermanKity (talk) 06:55, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. GermanKity (talk) 06:55, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:58, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Meets WP:SNG, specifically WP:AUTHOR points 3 and 4, as the sole creator of You Have To Burn The Rope and the game Swarm which won a Sweden Game Award, and the lead programmer of Pid (video game).Thisisarealusername (talk) Thisisarealusername (talk) 04:14, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Meets WP:SNG WP:AUTHOR, indeed.BabbaQ (talk) 09:36, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  If you have the time, could you possibly summarize the contents of the Swedish radio program Kian was featured in?Thisisarealusername (talk) 01:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to You Have to Burn the Rope. Lacks significant coverage beyond coverage in relation to this game. I don't see the sources to warrant an article on Swarm, so it's a stretch to say it's an independent achievement for the purposes of the aforementioned WP:CREATIVE SNG. Serving on the team for Pid does not nearly qualify as a significant achievement for the purposes of that guideline either. (not watching, please {{ping}}) czar 17:06, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I think WP:AUTHOR is much simpler than you make it sound: point 4: "The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention". I don't think there's any argument about YHTBTR easily fulfilling that criteria. I also don't think there's any good reason, based on that text, to say Swarm doesn't also, considering it's won what appears to be a prestigious award. As for Pid, it seems the team was very small and Kian appears in basically all interviews made for the game that I've come across, so I think saying he as lead programmer "co-created" it is fair, which then seems to meet the requirements for point 3 (which also YHBTR does, if not Swarm). The way the text on WP:AUTHOR is phrased, it seems enough that an author (creator's) single work fulfills any of those points. Both 3 and 4 seem fulfilled twice over. I don't think that most (but not all!) of the RS material on Kian is in connection with YTBTR should be weighed against that, I don't think that's how WP:AUTHOR is supposed to be applied (though I could of course be wrong). Thisisarealusername (talk) 01:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to You Have to Burn the Rope per CZAR, fails notability criteria._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 19:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What notability criteria?BabbaQ (talk) 07:12, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Per BabbaQ meets WP:SNG WP:AUTHOR, indeed. Rickshaw Takahashi (talk) 05:19, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per Czar; I don't believe the minimal coverage indicates that the person actually meets NAUTHOR point 4. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:08, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I can assure you that the game You Have To Burn The Rope has received more than "minimal coverage," though this might not be extremely apparent from that article or this one (Kian Bashiri). The French article (fr:You Have to Burn The Rope) is more complete, but just searching for "You Have To Burn The Rope" in Google Books/Google Scholar will make my point painstakingly clear. I understand meeting WP:AUTHOR isn't necessarily an automatic notability pass, but there can really be no doubt that WP:AUTHOR point 4 is clearly fulfilled by YHTBTR. Thisisarealusername (talk) 05:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect per Czar and PMC. Nytendoz (talk) 17:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.