Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyle Fortson

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was as follows:

Kyle Fortson — Delete
Linda Puchala — No consensus
Ernest W. DuBester — No consensus

– North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Fortson

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As with the recent delete verdict for Deirdre Hamilton, being on the National Mediation Board doesn't get much more than announcements of nomination or Senate approval in the media, far short of satisfying WP:GNG. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:37, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 07:38, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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~~Comment~~ (see below for comments on each individually) - I think these should be discussed separately as they each have different degrees of coverage. What is the process to separate out the discussion? DaffodilOcean (talk) 13:51, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Chicago Tribune article on Puchala is WP:SIGCOV DuBester is cited by the New York Times multiple times during the 1995 negotiations with Metro-North. I haven't dug into Fortson yet, but I don't think this can be conducted as one discussion for all members of the board. DaffodilOcean (talk) 14:34, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:Puchala Her work is covered in a book on women and unions, and in articles about her past position as president of the flight attendant union

Keep:DuBester His work on averting strikes has been covered in the New York Times.

Delete:Fortson I have been less successful at finding coverage of her, though her role on the Mexico Labor Expert Board was covered by Politico.

DaffodilOcean (talk) 21:25, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

Delete all There is clearly not GNG level coverage for any of them.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:23, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 13:25, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:29, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fortson; keep Puchala; keep DuBester. These are tricky because there are so many trivial mentions to wade through, and I wish that they hadn't been nominated for deletion en bloc. But on balance, I've reached pretty much the same conclusions as DaffodilOcean, although for slightly different reasons. I agree that Fortson isn't notable: there are quite a few trivial mentions, but nothing substantial. I also agree that Puchala is notable: sources like [1], [2], and [3] point to a WP:BASIC pass, particularly when combined with other less in-depth sources. DuBester is a close call, and I've gone back and forth on him several times. The New York Times articles mentioned above don't cut it for me: one is a non-independent interview and two are non-significant trivial mentions. But importantly, DuBester has also served on the Federal Labor Relations Authority, a higher-profile agency than the NMB. That means we have sources like [4] and [5], plus coverage of various decisions of his (e.g. several noteworthy dissents during the Trump administration). I think he probably passes the notability threshold as well. As always, I'm glad to reconsider any of these positions if there's something I've missed. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:07, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Extraordinary Writ: - I don't have access to newspapers. com, and the clips for Puchala are strong additions to the page. Is there anything about Fortson at newspapers.com? DaffodilOcean (talk) 13:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DaffodilOcean, not that I could find. Searching for "Kyle Fortson" gives me 100 results, but the grand majority are about some unrelated high school basketball player in Indiana. As best I can tell, none of them refer to this Kyle Fortson. (By the way, you can get free Newspapers.com access through the Wikipedia Library: it's really useful, especially for 20th-21st-century American topics.) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 16:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extraordinary Writ - OK, further support of the delete vote for Fortson, thanks for the update (and the tip about newspapers.com). DaffodilOcean (talk) 23:10, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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