Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LGBTQ representation on Saturday Night Live

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as a content fork that does not demonstrate notability for its specific subject. The existence of other subtopics related to SNL is not an accepted argument for keeping any particular fork. The notability of a broader article about minority representation on the show is something to be demonstrated in the proposed article, not speculatively asserted in an AFD about this article. RL0919 (talk) 10:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LGBTQ representation on Saturday Night Live

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As a person who is extremely pro-LGBTQ+ rights as well as a Saturday Night Live addict, I still have to say that this article just reads like an unnecessary content fork. Despite the sources, the "main" part of the article (particularly the cast section) seems to synthesize that creator Lorne Michaels is homophobic to the point that most LGBTQ+ cast members (save Kate McKinnon) are only on the show for a single season. In addition, the LGBTQ hosts who were not out when they hosted section flat-out says that all the people listed there don't necessarily self-identify as LGBTQ+. Finally, the parts of the article that aren't sourced at all read more like an essay. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 15:59, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:09, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:09, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete/merge. I agree that this seems like a synthy content fork. The list of hosts is not meaningful, and the prose content could go in the main article, presumably. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:23, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Minority representation on Saturday Night Live and upmerge. I looked for where this could go on the main SNL article but couldn’t really find a place. There is also content on Asian representation that also came up with Bowen Yang’s being added to the cast. Additionally SNL has long been criticized for its lack of African-American performers.
The sourcing says Loren Michaels is at the root of the hiring issue not Wikipedia.
And the section on hosts doesn’t say they don’t identify as LGBTQ but that 14 of them didn’t publicly do so when they hosted.
I’ve attempted to add a minority representation section on the main article. It’s already been buried in the controversy section.
I think expanding this to include minority representation on SNL might be the solution.Gleeanon409 (talk) 00:58, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can get behind the rename and upmerge idea of Gleenon409. In the end I think there's a notable topic here, however, we want to get at it, and this article is not so far gone that we need to TNT it in order to produce that version, so if we're not going to rename and upmerge, then we should just straight keep and get rid of the synthesis and the like. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:04, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 02:42, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think you mean merge, as none of it was there prior. Do you oppose expanding the article to include racial minorities? Gleeanon409 (talk) 04:40, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:TNT - article has multiple problems, among the more egregious WP:OR, WP:SYNTH. Agree with suggestion that Minority representation on Saturday Night Live would be a worthwhile article suggestion (given public debate on that topic), only that what could be used from this article needs heavy editing. --Goldsztajn (talk) 08:52, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete.I recall Centers For Disease Control statistics indicating that about 2% of the USA population was homosexual. Furthermore, ratings for SNL are significantly down since they have decided to be more political.[1] The show is definitely far less funny than it was during its zenith in ratings. In short, this article has a small interest by the public at large. This is especially true because the public is finding identity politics and political correctness to be tiresome[2] and that is one of the reasons Donald Trump was elected.Knox490 (talk) 19:01, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For perspective, Saturday Night Live has at least 218 sub articles including:

through

Given that I think one on minority representation is appropriate. Gleeanon409 (talk) 08:59, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Gleeanon409: - I may have misread your comment here, but a discussion on whether Minority representation on Saturday Night Live should be created to absorb material is from the proposed article article for deletion is not influenced by what already exists on Wikipedia. Have a look at WP:OTHER if you have not seen it before. The question is WP:NOTABILITY - which, as I said above, I think exists for a proposed article. Goldsztajn (talk) 11:47, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Goldsztajn:, I agree. This surprisingly long list wasn’t aimed at you but for all. This one series has a nearly endless sprawl of spin out articles so one on minority representation, to me at least, makes sense. I think there is plenty to sustain the LGBTQ aspect but it’s been slow to unearth it all. Gleeanon409 (talk) 12:01, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You might want to check out what TNT says, Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Gleeanon409 (talk) 16:53, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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