Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Libbi Bosworth

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) sst✈ 02:01, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Tagged as possibly non-notable since December 2009. Article has two references: one a dead link, the other a very brief synopsis on a wiki type site. My own searches turned up a handful of trivial mentions in local newspapers, but I don't think they're enough to make her notable or to help create a substantial article. FuriouslySerene (talk) 16:17, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Withdraw nomination I think this is a pretty borderline case, as the coverage provided below isn't all substantial or even national in scope (most of the citations are from her own city). But the combined effect of the articles means Bosworth can meet the GNG, and I'd rather err on the side of keeping an article. Thanks to duffbeerforme and Northamerica1000 for their work. FuriouslySerene (talk) 15:28, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. FuriouslySerene (talk) 16:17, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. FuriouslySerene (talk) 16:17, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this. I had built these articles years ago in good faith, for performers who appeared on the sourced list of performers who were spotlighted on the nationally broadcast PBS television program Austin City Limits. I particularly included that notability of that performance in the article. My creation of the article was based on the notability standards at the time, which clearly said as I recall that a 30 minute television broadcast was one of the acceptable guidelines. The obseseeion by some people with deleting my articles that I had built based on the rules is a main reason why I don't contribute to Wikipedia anymore, for almost a decade now. But for what it's worth, I see the current guideline says, 12: Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. Criteria for musicians and ensembles. There is also a Wikipedia article for the comprehensive list of Austin City Limits perfomers, and deleting this will only serve to make that list nonfunctional. Steven Russell (talk) 18:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm sorry you've had articles deleted. I don't think I've ever nominated any article you've created for deletion before. Personally I don't think a 30 minute TV broadcast on PBS qualifies under that criteria. Even if it did, notice that WP:NMUSIC says it "may" be notable. I think the main issue is that there are no sources to which we can verify the information that is currently in the article. Remember also that because she is alive the sources on the page are subject to even greater scrutiny than otherwise WP:BLP. Can you cite some reliable sources that discuss her in depth? I'm always willing to withdraw a nomination if sources are uncovered, but I didn't find anything myself so far. FuriouslySerene (talk) 21:05, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:12, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it. The 30 minute broadcast criteria was specific as the precise reason that I built these. Otherwise I would not have wasted my time. Other people have contributed as well. It's not my fault that somebody changed the guidelines to make it more vague so that people could come along and delete a lot of hard work just because they want to interpret the now vague guideline in a most restrictive manner. These are not garbage articles for deletion. Nitpicking the criteria to justify deletion is absurd. Here is the full list of appearances by artists that will become nonfunctional with this random deletion practice, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Austin_City_Limits_performers. Unfortunately the Internet Archive is fairly inept about archiving these things, maybe because PBS has opted out, I don't know. But it did exist. If the standard for Wikipedia is now that if it is not currently on the Internet anymore and so then it does not count, then Wikipedia is inane. Steven Russell (talk) 18:33, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it. The Austin Chronicle, Back Home in Texas Libbi Bosworth Returns With "Libbiville" By Raoul Hernandez, Fri., Oct. 19, 2001 http://www.austinchronicle.com/music/2001-10-19/83356/ just proves that sources are not so easily googled on the Internet, especially for older data like this. This is a fairly extensive biography. One relevant quote, "Matt Eskey, who financed Outskirts of You on his credit cards as proprietor of Freedom Records, a now-dormant local indie that had the infinite good taste to release debuts from the likes of Bosworth, ... estimates that sales of both Bosworth releases are among the top sellers on TexasMusicRoundup.com." I also found her album Libbiville charting in the low 30s under Americana on an extensive national list from KEXT based in Seattle, so it's not just Austin. Steven Russell (talk) 19:15, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it. CMJ New Music Monthly Nov-Dec 2001 review of Libbiville. https://books.google.com/books?id=OCoEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=libbiville&source=bl&ots=EzeaOBQJNh&sig=mdPA4PRmzwBMg5EkxwE4W631Eus&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEodOfz-PJAhUP42MKHcU0A-E4FBDoAQgpMAI#v=onepage&q=libbiville&f=false Steven Russell (talk) 19:26, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it. Article in the Niagra Falls Reporter, out of New York, for crying out loud. A major print newspaper from thousands of miles away, with an early online presence that happened to have an article survive the ridiculous transitory nature of the Internet. COUNTRY CHANTEUSE ON TRACK FOR STARDOM By Buck Quigley http://niagarafallsreporter.com/music2.html It's a review of Libbiville, and some more bio details. "Bosworth is cut from the same rugged cloth as Loretta Lynn and the late Tammy Wynette." Steven Russell (talk) 19:42, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and draft & userfy at best as there's been enough time for a better article to have been made and none of the listed coverage suggests even a minimally better notable article for the applicable guidelines. SwisterTwister talk 06:20, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment – @SwisterTwister: There is no deadline for articles to be improved. Topic notability is not based upon the state of sourcing in articles; see WP:NRVE. The sources I present below refute your notions about the subject's notability quite thoroughly. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:20, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• • Keep it. Just a quick Google search turns up a number of hits. Here is one prominent article, http://www.haffly.com/delbert-mcclinton-kevin-welch-marcia-ball-pitch-in-to-help-destitute-singer/ Delbert McClinton, Kevin Welch, Marcia Ball - Those are some HUGE country music names. Here is a quote that explains her importance: "Singer/Songwriter/Writer Libbi Bosworth was once a fixture on Austin’s legendary music scene. She has performed on Austin City Limits with Dale Watson and Don Walser. Her songs have been recorded by Kelly Willis, Sunny Sweeney, Walter Hyatt, The Hollisters and Toni Price. A song co-written with Walter Hyatt appeared in an episode of the popular TV series “Friday Night Lights.” " Here is more about her, http://www.lonestarmusic.com/LibbiBosworth "On Libbi's independent record, Libbiville, she duets with the Pavarotti of the Plains himself, Don Walser, and, not to play gender faves, the sultry Miss Toni Price." Steven Russell (talk) 18:33, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Washington Post reviewed Libbiville -McClain, Buzz (15 August 2001), "In The Thick Of It", The Washington Post

Austin American-Statesman had a review of Outskirts Of You -Corcoran, Michael (12 September 1996), "In The Thick Of It", Austin American-Statesman

Online coverage includes [1] [2] [3] [4] (some take from above).

[5] This book looks like it could be useful. "It's hard to believe Libbi Bosworth went through phases as a punk rocker and a jazz student at the Berklee School of Music. From the genuine spirit of her debut album, Outskirts of You, it sounds like she was born to sing and write country ..."

[6] This one appears to have a cd review.

Enough for GNG. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:44, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Striking extra !votes by Steven Russell. You can comment as much as you want, but you are only allowed 1 !vote. Natg 19 (talk) 20:13, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The national TV performance plus the sources discovered by Steven Russell and Duffbeerforme are sufficient to establish notability. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:42, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per SwisterTwister. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:30, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – Passes WP:BASIC and WP:MUSICBIO. Source examples include, but are not limited to: , , , , , , , , , , . North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:18, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources found by duffbeerforme (talk · contribs) and Northamerica1000 (talk · contribs). The articles in The Washington Post, CMJ New Music Monthly, and The Austin Chronicle provide substantial coverage of the subject.

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Libbi Bosworth to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 06:25, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per coverage found by above editors. Appears to pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:17, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I just added additional coverage to the article. Others above have found more. It looks like there's enough material for an article on one or both of her albums as well.Timtempleton (talk) 20:39, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.