Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manvel Gasratian

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f eminist 04:38, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Manvel Gasratian

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Unproven notability. Unreferenced article since 2008. XXN, 15:01, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment There is now minimal sourcing showing him as a renowned Turkologist and Kurdologist. If kept, the article should probably be moved to Manvel Gasratjan as the better transliteration from the Cyrillic. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 18:37, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

About renaming, see WP:RUS. XXN, 21:18, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As he was an academic with scholarly publications before 1995, I think the first three columns of Romanization_of_Russian#Transliteration_table are more helpful than the essay in this instance. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 16:45, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep after improved sourcing. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2017 (UTC).[reply]
Keep the current article, although a stub, sufficiently demonstrates notability as a scholar. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:10, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, due to current form but has promise and meets standard for GNG given what is stated, even if it is limited. Kierzek (talk) 20:30, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: More exactly what makes him notable? Probably he is important and "renowned" (how it's stated now in article), but is he notable? XXN, 21:18, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- It is often impossible to judge notability of stub articles (such as this). Since his writings will have been in Russian, a lack of English-language sources is unsurprising. What does the Russian WP have? Peterkingiron (talk) 17:59, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Peterkingiron: ru-wiki doesn't have an article on him. I've managed to turn up a few Russian sources, but it's always difficult to judge their reliability. I'll try and sift through them. – Joe (talk) 18:08, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - I do not know, but an academician may well be notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:18, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He's a scholar who wrote in Russian pre-internet and pre-1991, so satisfying WP:PROF#C1 in the usual ways isn't going to happen. That said it does look like he made a significant impact in his field (Kurdish studies), even if sourcing is a pain in the arse. We have the one English-language source that describes him as "renowned". As far as Russian sources go, he has an entry in the Biographical Archive of the Soviet Union [1], but I haven't been able to access it, and a very brief entry in this 2017 index of Turkish scholars [2]. There is also a more detailed biography in this online encyclopaedia [3], but I don't know how reliable that is, and two blog posts describing a symposium organised in his memory at the Institute of Oriental Studies [4] and an obituary written about him in a Kurdish publication (which seems to have disappeared unfortunately) [5]. Again, they're not RSes, but they're suggestive. I think someone with better Russian and better access to offline sources like the BASU could make a decent biography out of this. There may well be additional sources available in Turkish or Kurdish. – Joe (talk) 19:15, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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