Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mehmet Baydar

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The result was merge to Assassination of Mehmet Baydar and Bahadır Demir. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:33, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:BIO1E known only for being assassinated. (t · c) buidhe 16:08, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Mehmet Baydar was a consul general in LA and even if he wasn't assassiniated he deserves an article in 6 million-article WP. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 16:58, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Diplomats below the rank of ambassador are almost never notable because their position does not tend to attract coverage in independent RS. Nor does that appear to be the case for this individual. (t · c) buidhe 17:08, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete people do not "deserve" articles in Wikipedia, because they are not earned. Diplomats below the level of ambassador are almost never notable (we have lots of articles on such that probably should be cleaned out, but such takes awhile). Even ambassadors are not default notable, and we have over the years deleted several articles on ambassadors.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:14, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Not the person itself, but the incident, the attack seems notable to me. And we can merge the articles of the people who were assasinated and create an article for the attack. I can see some sources in English ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]) and there are a lot of independent and reliable sources in Turkish language obviously.--Nanahuatl (talk) 21:36, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The incident is already covered at Gourgen_Yanikian#Assassination_of_Turkish_consuls (t · c)

buidhe 22:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The incident itself seems notable, the assasin's article has already so much content and for the assasination, there are enough information and sources to have a seperated article, I believe. On the other hand, the diplomats don't seem notable to me since there are only sources related with the assasination.--Nanahuatl (talk) 07:33, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Well maybe "deserve" is not the right word. But en-WP is a 6 million-article encyclopaedia and with this very wide covarage a consul general in LA is notable. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:40, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • If he was notable as a consul, you would be able to find significant coverage of his activities in independent sources published prior to his death. I see no evidence of that. (t · c) buidhe 06:42, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect and merge The page itself appears to be notable for events, however, due to its coverage is lacking for an article and the person is only known for one event; I suggest redirection to the assassin's page or a new page that's opened for event, and transfer of citations and informations between pages.Ahmetlii (talk) 11:58, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• I would suggest to create a new page for the event as stated by WP:BIO1E. There are plenty of sources as mentioned above. ~Styyx ^{Talk? ^-^} 14:38, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Transform: into an article about the event. As is it fails GNG, BASIC, ANYBIO. The person is BLP1E but the event is notable.  // Timothy :: talk  03:45, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Move to Murder/assassination of Mehmet Baydar and redirect Mehmet Baydar to this article. A murder of a diplomat due to an ethnic conflict as to me would clearly merit an article.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:41, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Except, Baydar was not the only one assassinated. I would not be averse to merging all three articles (including Yanikian) into Assassination of Mehmet Baydar and Bahadır Demir. But the incident itself is already covered in more detail at Gourgen_Yanikian#Assassination_of_Turkish_consuls than either of the victims' articles. (t · c) buidhe 09:49, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I see, well an article on the event would also help the Gourgen Yanikian article. In an article about the event the reactions of the different parties (Armenia, USA and Turkey) could be clarified much better and less compromising the info about the person itself which at least at Gourgen Yanikian is already quite elaborate and fairly sourced. What about upgrade the redirect?Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:51, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.