Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Milwaukee County Transit System bus fleet

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Milwaukee County Transit System. There is a clear consensus that this article should be deleted, with some participants supporting a merge. This should be done very selectively and the article should afterwards be made into a redirect, which (even though an unlikely search term) should be kept for reasons of attribution. Randykitty (talk) 12:02, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable topic, no reliable sources... Delete. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 22:58, 5 April 2021 (UTC), merge back into the parent article.JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 13:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 22:58, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 22:58, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wisconsin-related deletion discussions. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 22:58, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Wikipedia is not a bus enthusiast's fansite. Ajf773 (talk) 09:00, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The nomination's claims are false as there are extensive accounts of the MCTS fleet in numerous documents – see above. This seems to be a WP:DRIVEBY which does not appreciate this is a split from Milwaukee_County_Transit_System#Bus_fleet. There are therefore obvious alternatives to deletion whiuch we prefer per policy WP:PRESERVE. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:29, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• As per the WP:GNG, I am not seeing significant secondary sources about the bus fleet system itself. Most of the sources you provided in the article are self published sources hosted on youtube. These do not establish notability, although they may be used to expand and develop the content in the article. In many transit systems across the world, the fleet of cars (in this case: busses), is generally not notable on its own, and is instead a part of the parent article (Milwaukee County Transit System). I recognize that this was split from the parent article, but the bus fleet is not notable on its own. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 13:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or limited inclusion on parent article Over the last several years, it was recommended the MCTS fleet be contented forked which is why I created an article on the fleet. It consumed too much on the main MCTS article. Other transit systems have articles on their fleets such as Orlando, LA, NYC, Chicago, ect but if we delete this, then we have to delete other bus fleet articles. If this is deleted, I would suggest there is a very limited inclusion on the main article so that it does not drag the overall quality of the article down. Asher Heimermann (talk)

  Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS –Fredddie™ 22:12, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and trim WP:NOT (particularly the parts about not being a database or a directory-like listing) and WP:FANCRUFT (as this would not be of interest to many beyond, as Ajf773 points out, "bus enthusiasts") seem to apply here. The main table, trimmed of some columns and possibly made into a short paragraph of prose (as already appears to exist at the main article), seems more than enough, and because said article is so short, I fail to see how a split would be justified even if this were not fancruft. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:50, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. How do you source this or establish notability of the bus fleet separately from the transit system? –Fredddie™ 22:12, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
•  Comment: please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Milwaukee County Transit System bus routes, which was created by the same author. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 13:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as no evidence of any notability, Also Youtube should generally be avoided as a source because once the video's deleted we have nothing ....., Fails NOTDIR and GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 13:15, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: WP:Link rot is not necessarily a reason to not-use YouTube (we have archiving websites). YouTube is generally a self published source, because there is no editoral review on any video. However, if a video author would be considered reliable outside of YouTube, then they would be considered reliable. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 13:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• JackFromReedsburg But archiving sites are useless as they no longer show that video either (whereas for instance if you use an archive site on a Flickr image than that image will still show). Agreed Youtube can be used where nessecary but I don't see a reason as to why it should be used here but I guess we can agree to disagree on this. Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 13:35, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, Not a notable topic . Alex-h (talk) 13:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Most of the article's sources violate WP:YOUTUBE and the text is of incredibly finite detail about bus wrap advertising. The other sources outside the system's website (one about a suburban crank politician mad about diversity being acknowledged and which is in the article text...hello WP:NPOV violation!), the other about a bus crash) aren't any better for the article at all. Nate • (chatter) 21:37, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge back into parent article. The topic of this article feels more insignificant because it is now isolated. As previously mentioned, many Wikipedia articles for transit fleets include the bus fleet on the parent page, not in a separate article. The detail level as it is now is too intricate to be encyclopedic, but trims can be made to the article.Jacobi Jackson (talk) 03:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• There is very little reason to keep this content, it's unencyclopdic and serves a niche audience of bus fanatics. Ajf773 (talk) 09:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Milwaukee County Transit System as WP:ATD, and since it is already covered in sufficient detail there. Oppose merging as the detail in the article is WP:TOOMUCH. Jumpytoo Talk 03:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to parent article. Riteboke (talk) 07:28, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge back. There is a comment above that says the information on the fleet was forked because it was suggested for years, and it did take up a lot of space on the main article. I still feel this content should be merged back into the parent article, but it doesn't have to be as extensive as it currently is. There's a lot of intricate detail about bus wraps - that can be abridged. This content isn't notable enough to warrant its own article. A moderate inclusion on the parent article should suffice. Jacobi Jackson (talk) 04:14, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete; Wikipedia is not a place for bus fleet lists, not a notable topic. If it must be merged, merge only the notable and newsworthy items, not all of it. Nightfury 07:53, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.