Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mitchell Bailey

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:12, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mitchell Bailey

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Fails WP:NM - promotional Atsme📞📧 03:04, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Adding - WP:MUSICBIO - making note that the following does not meet the criteria (my bold): except for the following: Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves, and all advertising that mentions the musician or ensemble, including manufacturers' advertising.[note 3] Most of the cited sources are interviews with the rapper talking about himself and his hopes of becoming notable. He distributed his own album via iTunes Hip Hop and was not notable enough to make the Top 40. Needs time to incubate, not ready yet. Atsme📞📧 18:35, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: A cursory search reveals a lot of press, especially in Canada, including major news venues: [1], [2], [3], [4] [5], [6]. He has also performed at SXSW: [7], [8], [9] and, according to the wiki article, several other music festivals. There's more out there but it requires a lengthier search than I performed, plus possibly some added or subtracted keywords to narrow the search to this person (due to the common name). Softlavender (talk) 03:40, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment by nominator - re: the links provided above:
  1. Forbes Music Entertainment is a private marketing company (not affiliated with Forbes) that provides record label services and helps independents market themselves.
  2. The 1st CBC link is promotion of him and FME, and in the article he states that he is currently only in Nova Scotia with hopes that FME can get him promoted. FME is a far cry from having a Sony or Atlantic Records label.
  3. Cape Breton Post: Cape Breton Post is local coverage of news, events, and sports from communities in the Cape Breton Regional Municipality and the counties of Inverness, Richmond and Victoria. Hardly fits the bill for notability.
  4. Rhyme Junkie promotional interview wherein he speaks about himself and his 1st album, and the billboard in his hometown. He said, "We were gonna pay them – it’s like $700 here to have the ad up for a whole month." But the hometowners didn't charge him. Hardly notable. (music networking)
  5. Artist interviews, again pure promotion, (music networking).
  6. Canadian Beats, 40 Canadian music fans working hard to promote all the musical talent that Canada has to offer - promotion.
  7. Rhyme Junkie again, only this time they list songs for sale. Pure promotion.
  8. He was not a star attraction at the music festivals, he was just another entertainer who hasn't become notable except for his own promotions, marketing, and self-promoting interviews.
  9. He does not meet WP:NM per Note 1: someone simply talking about themselves in their own personal blog, website, book publisher, social networking site or music networking site, etc., does not automatically mean they have sufficient attention in the world at large to be notable. If that was so then everyone could have an article. Wikipedia is not a directory.
  10. And keep in mind the COI/business manager creator pointed out below by Argento. Atsme📞📧 04:55, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
None of the 9 links I provided are the subject "simply talking about themselves in their own personal blog, website, book publisher, social networking site or music networking site". Moreover, CBC News is the news arm of Canada's public broadcaster, equivalent to PBS news and BBC News. Softlavender (talk) 05:59, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
CBC is the only RS that meets the requirements for notability, and in that interview 3+ months ago, the young hopeful rapper admitted that he'd like to be as successful as Nova Scotia rapper Classified (rapper). Wanting to be successful does not substantiate notability. I thought Yani Sherbatov was a borderline notable fighter, far more notable than this local rapper, but his article was deleted. The other 5 sources you provided are not reliable for establishing WP:NM notability, and neither are the performances. He's simply one of thousands of hopefuls at this stage of the game, and clearly needs more time in the incubator. Atsme📞📧 06:42, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is not true that "CBC is the only RS that meets the requirements for notability". He has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician. Softlavender (talk) 06:51, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless, his goal is to be notable - not that he is notable, and dreaming or hoping for something is not worthy of inclusion in WP. Read the promos - that is all we see covered in any of the sources - it is promo, RS or not. How can you not see that it is anything but promotional? Atsme📞📧 18:06, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The subject meets WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. See WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. -- Softlavender (talk) 06:19, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America1000 03:52, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: That's a valid concern; however personally I think the issue can be dealt with by editing/copyediting/cleanup, and also placing the COI notice on the talk page instead of on the article itself. Softlavender (talk) 00:12, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nova Scotia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 04:33, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. He does not pass WP:MUSICBIO, and the sourcing is not adequate to state that he passes WP:GNG in lieu. While it's true that the CBC is Canada's national public broadcaster, the CBC link provided here is not from the CBC's national news division, but from its local station in the subject's own hometown, so it does not demonstrate that he got reliable source coverage beyond just the CBRM alone. The Cape Breton Post is also local coverage; LocalXpress is a hyperlocal webmedia startup, not a widely distributed daily newspaper that counts toward GNG at all; and virtually all of the other references are PR blogs. A musician does not automatically get to have a Wikipedia article just because the local media in his own hometown paid him some attention, because that's simply to be expected — to get a musician past NMUSIC, the reliable source coverage has to expand outward beyond just the hometown local outlets. Plus the conflict of interest issue doesn't help — COI isn't a deletion criterion in and of itself if the article can be repaired, but this can't yet. No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when he's got a stronger notability claim and evidence of wider not-just-Cape-Breton reliable source coverage than he does right now. Bearcat (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:31, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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