Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Onam and Muslims

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Procedural close‎. I'm going to do a procedural close here. The nominator has been blocked as a sockpuppet and most of the participants here are brand new accounts. No penalty against a return visit to AFD for a new discussion but let's restart it afresh. Liz Read! Talk! 23:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Onam and Islamic Preachers

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The recent comments by few religious leaders, which kerala as a whole took it as communal and non secular , should not be given weightage in Wikipedia here. so i find it is non sense to add as an article. This is a Wikipedia article on communal speeches of 2-3 islamic speakers. Also note that in the article Onam it is said that it is a Hindu festival. From the point of islam, celebrating festivals of other religion is not allowed. So creating an article on specific to Onam based on 2-3 Islamic speeches is non sense. Also article used unreliable source such as sunnivoice.net and only news links of Islamic preachers making communal speeches on celebrating Onam

You can find the artcile here:

another one :

"There is no legal text compatible to this produced even after five centuries from the region, but some preachers with the influence of Arab cultural Islam and its wide influence in the various realm create commotions through unexpected comments against Onam celebrations of Muslim communities. The idea of branding of other cultures as un-Islamic was introduced as part of ‘reform’, but now it silently lingers even the tongue of traditionalists."

These are comments passed by one or two islamic preachers and never to be considered the view point of all Muslims of Kerala. They have rejected these as seen from the article.

The religious organization of muslims in kerala , which represent 95% of muslims in kerala are : Sunni organizations (AP or EK).

These organizations never said 'officially' any comment on onam. Usually it is through fatwa Muslims organizations declare their views. No one released a fatwa.

Mere communal comments of some communal leaders cannot be considered as a mass view and never to be the part of wikipedia as an article

This is a religious promotional article , only made from 2-3 religious preachers speeches — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fsrvb (talk • contribs) 15:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. This is a subarticle of the main article Onam. This article was created apparently because there was a lot of vandalism on the page Onam because several people wanted to remove content that say Islam is against celebrating non-Muslims' celebrations including Onam. EK Sunnis' several organisations, in a joint statement, has said Islam is against following rituals of other religions. Moreover, Simsarul Haq Hudawi, belonging to EK Sunnis, has said celebrating Onam is not allowed in Islam. Ponmala Abdul Qadir Musliyar, secretary of Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama of AP Sunnis has said Islam does not allow to participate in celebratory or non-celebratory activity of non-Muslims. Mujahids also have said Islam is against celebrating Onam. Reference for all for them are given in the article itself. Fsrvb is one of the persons who belong to those who engage in vandalism by removing content (see: 1 , 2 and 3) saying it is not notable but notability applies to the article as whole, not to content in it. However Wikipedia is not a place to present opinion which few or no one believe. But that is not case here: overwhelming majority of Muslims including Sunnis and Mujahid Salafis have asked Muslims to avoid participating in the Onam celebration. In Kerala 85% (75%+10%) of Muslims belong to either AP or EK or Mujahid organisations (read the article). See: WP:DUE which says:

The article suggested for deletion is notable and would avoid vandalism and there is enough reason to create a separate article. Fsrvb, who created an account on 28 July 2024, moved the page Onam and Islam whose name at the time was Onam and Muslims to Onam and Islamic Preachers. Fsrvb also suggested the article for deletion. The page Onam is protected for an indefinite period because the topic is controversial. There has been vandalism on the article Onam several times. The vandals were removing the word related to Hinduism to remove mentioning the association of Onam with Hindus and Hinduism(1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12) Such vandalism or disruptive edits were reverted by adding the term which shows the topic's association with Hinduism or Hindus (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8). Similar edits (1, 2, 3, 4) have been done by Fsrvb. Hence this suggestion for deletion of the article is part of vandalism of removal of content.Neutralhappy (talk) 22:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep per Neutralhappy. The article was created as a subarticle and to spread the DUE that was given to that topic. There are various reliable sources that cover the topic significantly and hence SIGCOV and GNG are met. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:42, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 23:11, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep. I've often come across news reports in the local language about speeches made about Onam and Muslims over the years. If the page remains active, it's likely that more related content may continue to be added. CheramanMale (talk) 10:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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